Separation of Church and State

uhh... the Christian Trinity came about because of Jesus and The Holy Spirit. Those entities were attributed to the one God; Jesus is the son of God and God at the same time, etc. In any case both Christianity and Islam are both derivatives of Judaism and it\'s reasonable to conclude that Allah, the Chrisitan God and the God reffered to in the root religion are the same. The difference comes from how each religion sees said entity. etc.

Wow....Mystiq please learn your religions, Allah and god are the same just differently names. This is what Muslims believe, that is why Christians and Jews were called "People of the Book".

Muslims do not believe in the trinity and Allah can only be singular. Therefore, Christian God and Muslim Allah are not the same there either.

Trinity is not God buddy, but nice try.

 

Al- Quran 59:22-24
 
God is He, Beside Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

http://www.emuslim.com/WhoIsAllah.asp


And incase you dont believe me there is a messege from the Quran calling Allah god. And it is from a muslim website.

Therefor God is Allah and god is Allah.

Hell, i dont know why I\'m arguing about it with you, you even said it in your post.

Muslims believe that Allah is the PERSONAL NAME of god. God for Christians is just sort of a nickname. Allah is one and only and nothing else can be Allah. So for you to even compare the two by the "=" sign is blasphemy. The word Allah has no gender and it is not plural.

:rolleyes:


So because they call him by his personal name and we call him by a "nickname" as you put it, they are different people? You\'re just contradicting yourself.

"Truly, I am Allah; there is no God but I; therefore serve Me"
[Al-Qur’an 20:14]

Please, check your information before you get proven wrong by a fourteen year old. :rolleyes:

you wish you were 14 you old fart

Ask DH hes my bro.

Go watch Kingdom of Heaven

[GmanJoe]

God of Abraham = God and Allah = one and the same God

Thank you.

[Evi]

You\'re welcome.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by EviscerationX
You\'re welcome.

You hush. Nice dress, BTW.

[Evi]

Once you\'re done feltching goats, you can come back to the Forums...

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by cloud345
Wow....Mystiq please learn your religions, Allah and god are the same just differently names. This is what Muslims believe, that is why Christians and Jews were called "People of the Book".



Trinity is not God buddy, but nice try.

 

How is the "trinity" not God?

God is made up of three different "beings" The the FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRITY. That is GOD. The three together is God. If the trinity is not God, then educate me.

"One of the biggest fictions about Islam is that they worship the same God as the Christians or the Jews. “Allah” may have come to mean “God,” but was originally the name of one of the minor deities of the Arabic peninsula. When Muhammed received the Qur’an he said it came from this one of the gods of the neighborhood, and claimed that he was the One God and all others were not real gods. But even if you accept that Allah is supposed to be the same God as that of the Jews or Christians, then he must have changed his whole nature in the 400 years between Jesus and Muhammed."

"If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else"

http://minuteswithmessiah.tripod.com/question/notsame.html

So to put it simply. How can Allah and the Christian and Jewish God be the same if their history doesn\'t agree, their beliefs are not the same and they each view their God in a different perspective?

Originally posted by cloud345



http://www.emuslim.com/WhoIsAllah.asp


And incase you dont believe me there is a messege from the Quran calling Allah god. And it is from a muslim website.

Therefor God is Allah and god is Allah.

Hell, i dont know why I\'m arguing about it with you, you even said it in your post.

 

You are merely looking at the superficial level of the words my fourteen yearold. Read carefully:

Your site specifically said that Allah cannot be given "gender" and it cannot be "plural" The Christian God is a MALE that is divided into THREE ENTITITIES. How can they be the same person if even the name of the word describes what God CANNOT BE? Also, the word "God" is not the NAME of God. The word God and Goddess is affiliated with supernatural beings since way back in the Roman times. Therefore, Allah and "God" are not the same person simply because Allah IS God. Allah is it\'s name. "God" is not God\'s name. If you are so sure that Allah and Christian God are the same, then why don\'t Christians call God Allah?

Originally posted by cloud345

:rolleyes:


So because they call him by his personal name and we call him by a "nickname" as you put it, they are different people? You\'re just contradicting yourself.


 

Read above.

Originally posted by cloud345

Please, check your information before you get proven wrong by a fourteen year old. :rolleyes:

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Check my information...Done.


Your turn.

[Evi]

Cloud...the Trinity is God. Study your bible a little more.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq

So to put it simply. How can Allah and the Christian and Jewish God be the same if their history doesn\'t agree, their beliefs are not the same and they each view their God in a different perspective?

If you are so sure that Allah and Christian God are the same, then why don\'t Christians call God Allah?

Without getting all complicated with quotes from other sources who try to force a difference between the two, I think there\'s a rather simple explanation for the two (or three) major religions worshipping the same God (or Allah, depending on your culture).

All three religions, Jews and Christians and Muslims, acknowledge Abraham as the common denominator for today\'s religion. If all three acknowledge this, then is safe to say that all three worship the God of Abraham. Muslims also view Jesus as a prophet. <-- Very Important fact that you must not ignore. Since they do, then obviously you must acknowledge that Muslims and Christians (and Jews) worship the same Creator. Whether you call the Creator Jehova, Allah, Yaweh or God, it doesn\'t matter. They are the same.

You can point out some differences in history, but those are man made differences. In the whole scheme of it all - we worship the same God, Jehova, Yaweh, Allah.

[clips]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Without getting all complicated with quotes from other sources who try to force a difference between the two, I think there\'s a rather simple explanation for the two (or three) major religions worshipping the same God (or Allah, depending on your culture).

All three religions, Jews and Christians and Muslims, acknowledge Abraham as the common denominator for today\'s religion. If all three acknowledge this, then is safe to say that all three worship the God of Abraham. Muslims also view Jesus as a prophet. <-- Very Important fact that you must not ignore. Since they do, then obviously you must acknowledge that Muslims and Christians (and Jews) worship the same Creator. Whether you call the Creator Jehova, Allah, Yaweh or God, it doesn\'t matter. They are the same.

You can point out some differences in history, but those are man made differences. In the whole scheme of it all - we worship the same God, Jehova, Yaweh, Allah.

very well said gman...it was starting to get complicated there for a minute, and i agree with everything you stated..

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by clips
very well said gman...it was starting to get complicated there for a minute, and i agree with everything you stated..

Some people think too hard.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Without getting all complicated with quotes from other sources who try to force a difference between the two, I think there\'s a rather simple explanation for the two (or three) major religions worshipping the same God (or Allah, depending on your culture).

All three religions, Jews and Christians and Muslims, acknowledge Abraham as the common denominator for today\'s religion. If all three acknowledge this, then is safe to say that all three worship the God of Abraham. Muslims also view Jesus as a prophet. <-- Very Important fact that you must not ignore. Since they do, then obviously you must acknowledge that Muslims and Christians (and Jews) worship the same Creator. Whether you call the Creator Jehova, Allah, Yaweh or God, it doesn\'t matter. They are the same.

You can point out some differences in history, but those are man made differences. In the whole scheme of it all - we worship the same God, Jehova, Yaweh, Allah.

Well, if you just want to simply look at the superficial level of the religions then you are right.

God is the same thing in all religions.


But, when it comes to the actualy spiritual side of the spectrum, the most important one, then they are completely different.

For example, the Christians believe God to be a TRINITY. Jewish don\'t even believe Jesus to be the prophet and worship the God of the Old Testament. Which is completely different, unless your telling me that the Christiand God still requires sacrifices and prohibition of eating pork...