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« Reply #106 on: May 11, 2005, 09:09:43 AM »
well i agree with mystiq about the part of the jews not recognizing jesus as the prophet,...i\'ve heard that they still believe the true prophet will be born by one of them, which is why they don\'t believe in birth control...i don\'t know how true that is, but i really don\'t care enough to do research on it...
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« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2005, 09:15:24 AM »
You guys should just be glad you were born into the right religion... imagine being born into an obscure tribe in the deeps of Africa! Those poor suckas will burn in hell forever.
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« Reply #108 on: May 11, 2005, 09:17:19 AM »
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well, if you just want to simply look at the superficial level of the religions then you are right.

God is the same thing in all religions.


But, when it comes to the actualy spiritual side of the spectrum, the most important one, then they are completely different.

For example, the Christians believe God to be a TRINITY. Jewish don\'t even believe Jesus to be the prophet and worship the God of the Old Testament. Which is completely different, unless your telling me that the Christiand God still requires sacrifices and prohibition of eating pork...


It\'s not superficial at all. It is the underlying foundation. No pun intended but JESUS CHRIST! I just told you about Abraham! I told you that Jesus is considered a prophet by Muslims and is even mention in the Koran! But you keep rambling on about the Trinity. Not all Christians believe in the Trinity, like the Orthodox Church for example.

It\'s you who keep mumbling about superficial differences. I\'m talking about the freakin\' FOUNDATION! Ain\'t nothing superficial about that, foo!

Sorry, Ashford, but history can not be denied. People can spin it, mold it and so forth for their own beliefs (I mean, jeez...his book\'s title is "Islamic Invasion", he\'s gonna be biased) but the truth is, we worship the same God. The religions may be somewhat different but that\'s not what I\'m arguing about.
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« Reply #109 on: May 11, 2005, 09:20:29 AM »
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You guys should just be glad you were born into the right religion... imagine being born into an obscure tribe in the deeps of Africa! Those poor suckas will burn in hell forever.


As a Christian myself, I do not believe that. Isn\'t that ironic and strange? I believe that when you die, your soul goes to meet God. Whether you were a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jedi....you meet God. You are judged and if you were a good person, you get to play Dynasty Warriors with the other angels like me. :D
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« Reply #110 on: May 11, 2005, 01:33:58 PM »
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If you are so sure that Allah and Christian God are the same, then why don\'t Christians call God Allah?


Maybe you don\'t understand. Allah Is Arabic for god. So when a Arab says Allah they are literally saying "The God"


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"He is Allah (God), the Creator, the Originator, The Fashioner, to Him belong the most beautiful names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, do declare His praises and Glory. And He is the Exalted in Might, The Wise. (Quran 59:24)


What is this? Could the Quran itself be calling Allah by him? GIVING HIM A GENDER?!?!?!? :o


Trinity- The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost.

Father-God
Son-Jesus
Holy Ghost-(debatable) I was looking for what the holy ghost really was and I couldn\'t accually find an exact description of it, most sites said it is the Working force of God.

Don\'t take the holy sirit and the father as being two different people, or two parts of god. They are the same thing.

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So to put it simply. How can Allah and the Christian and Jewish God be the same if their history doesn\'t agree, their beliefs are not the same and they each view their God in a different perspective?


How does their history not agree. All three religions are extremely similar. Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others all play significant roles in all three religions. In all three God is the one and only god and there is no other. He created everything and always has been.

What don\'t you get? Gos is Allah. Allah is God. In Arabic Al means-The and illah means- God. Together is Allah or "The God". Christians, Jews and Muslims are people of the book. You know why? Because they all believe in the same God! The reason we say god and they say Allah is a language difference.

It seems like your arguing against the Quran and other Mulsims, cause that is where I am getting all of my information from. I am taking my information from a person of the belief and the book they follow and you are taking yours from a randomn priest from california. I learned what i learned from textbooks and school, I don\'t know where you learned what you learned. You keep saying the same thing over and over when I have clearly proven you wrong.


GOD IS ALLAH AND ALLAH IS GOD. End of discussion.
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« Reply #111 on: May 11, 2005, 02:16:45 PM »
Miss Tiq is ignoring too many facts.
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« Reply #112 on: May 11, 2005, 02:47:49 PM »
I say who the hell cares... We\'ll all become fertilizer at some point. Look at it this way they may not be the same thing, but they are on the level of meaning to each religion, you can not dispute that. God is almighty as is Allah.

To sit here and argue one is the same or not will get anyone no where excepting wasting up internet space.

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« Reply #113 on: May 11, 2005, 02:57:54 PM »
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I say who the hell cares... We\'ll all become fertilizer at some point. Look at it this way they may not be the same thing, but they are on the level of meaning to each religion, you can not dispute that. God is almighty as is Allah.

To sit here and argue one is the same or not will get anyone no where excepting wasting up internet space.


Shut up. :)
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« Reply #114 on: May 11, 2005, 04:39:08 PM »
Well fine lets sit here and agree with eachother and see how fun it is then.

Yes yes cherio mate Allah isnt god cherio. Tea?

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« Reply #115 on: May 11, 2005, 04:43:58 PM »
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Well fine lets sit here and agree with eachother and see how fun it is then.

Yes yes cherio mate Allah isnt god cherio. Tea?

;)


To hell with tea! Gimme sex!
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« Reply #116 on: May 11, 2005, 05:06:33 PM »
I hate the Quran. It states to kill all infidels. What a great religion. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #117 on: May 11, 2005, 05:41:14 PM »
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I hate the Quran. It states to kill all infidels. What a great religion. :rolleyes:


Really? I didn\'t know that.
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« Reply #118 on: May 11, 2005, 06:21:08 PM »
Yeah...it\'s pretty damn stupid.

"Now when you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks until you overcome them fully..." (47:4).

" O you who have attained to faith! Fight against those unbelievers who are near you and let them find you adamant, and know that God is with those who are conscious of Him" (9:123).

"O Prophet! Strive hard (lit., make "jihad") against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be adamant with them... " (66:73).

"Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place..." (9:5).

Some of these may be in self-defense, but I\'m not sure about the of context of the quotes.
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« Reply #119 on: May 11, 2005, 09:24:14 PM »
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It\'s not superficial at all. It is the underlying foundation. No pun intended but JESUS CHRIST! I just told you about Abraham! I told you that Jesus is considered a prophet by Muslims and is even mention in the Koran! But you keep rambling on about the Trinity. Not all Christians believe in the Trinity, like the Orthodox Church for example.

It\'s you who keep mumbling about superficial differences. I\'m talking about the freakin\' FOUNDATION! Ain\'t nothing superficial about that, foo!

Sorry, Ashford, but history can not be denied. People can spin it, mold it and so forth for their own beliefs (I mean, jeez...his book\'s title is "Islamic Invasion", he\'s gonna be biased) but the truth is, we worship the same God. The religions may be somewhat different but that\'s not what I\'m arguing about.


Abraham was the spiritual father of the religions. For Muslims, Abraham was just another prophet.
Muslims believe that all the prophets and messengers of God came with the same basic message and taught the same essential religion, that of submission (islam) to God. This list of prophets includes Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jonah, Elijah, Zachariah, John the Baptist, Jesus, and also Muhammad (peace be upon them all and upon all other prophets that I haven\'t mentioned here). "

 Nothing more. After him, for Christians Jesus was the reformer. The one that changed the overall perspective of God. For the Jews, Jesus was nothing. For the Muslims, Jesus was a prophet.

Three different view points mean three different Gods. One cannot believe God to be a certain way while the other sees God a different way.

You can NOT have "somewhat" different religions if the God in each religion has such deep differences. You can\'t say that a Ferrari, Focus or a Jetta are the SAME car. They are still cards but they are completely different.




"Muslims also believe that the original religions and scriptures have become mixed in with man-made doctrines over time. The most obvious example of this, for Muslims, is the deification of Jesus. Additionally, the Jewish prophets (including Jesus) and scriptures were sent only to the Children of Israel and not to all of humankind. It was in order to restore the original religion of God and to bring its message to all people that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent with the Quran, according to Islamic belief"

http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/veiled4allah/007823.php

"Muslims would dispute is whether Judaism and Christianity today are true to the original religions that were established and to what degree the scriptures known today as the Torah and the Gospels contain the original text revealed by God and to what degree they include man-made doctrines."

Muslims see the Christian and Jewish religions are literally man-made. They belief them to have a skewed idea of what God wanted them to do so therefore their version of God is not the same from Muslim point of view.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

 

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