Separation of Church and State

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by cloud345
Maybe you don\'t understand. Allah Is Arabic for god. So when a Arab says Allah they are literally saying "The God"




What is this? Could the Quran itself be calling Allah by him? GIVING HIM A GENDER?!?!?!? :o

No, actually Allah in Arabic means "God is great" So when an Arab says Allah, they are saying "God is great"


And like I have said. ALLAH is the PERSONAL name of God. When Christians say "God" they are not calling "God" by his name.

And about your second quote:

"Hassan says: "No, He does not have a gender. Although Allah created everything, both the seen and the unseen, it is very clear from the Qur\'an that He is unique and unlike his creation. His creatures have gender, e.g., male and female but Allah does not. Nor should it be assumed that because Allah refers to Himself as \'He\' in the Qur\'an that this is a gender as in Human gender. Incidentally in the Qur\'an Allah also refers to Himself as \'I\' and \'We\'.  "

http://www.islam4schools.com/s-Allah.htm


It\'s like when there is a group of girls and boys and we call them "guys", get it?

Originally posted by cloud345


Trinity- The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost.

Father-God
Son-Jesus
Holy Ghost-(debatable) I was looking for what the holy ghost really was and I couldn\'t accually find an exact description of it, most sites said it is the Working force of God.

Don\'t take the holy sirit and the father as being two different people, or two parts of god. They are the same thing.

/B]

They are three different entities that form ONE GOD.

"Trinity - fundamental doctrine in Christianity, by which God is considered as existing in three persons. While the doctrine is not explicitly taught in the New Testament, early Christian communities testified to a perception that Jesus was God in the flesh; the idea of the Trinity has been inferred from the Gospel of St. John. The developed doctrine of the Trinity purports that God exists in three coequal and coeternal elements—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit "

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0849427.html

Originally posted by cloud345

How does their history not agree. All three religions are extremely similar. Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others all play significant roles in all three religions. In all three God is the one and only god and there is no other. He created everything and always has been.

What don\'t you get? Gos is Allah. Allah is God. In Arabic Al means-The and illah means- God. Together is Allah or "The God". Christians, Jews and Muslims are people of the book. You know why? Because they all believe in the same God! The reason we say god and they say Allah is a language difference.

Yes they all play an important role...BUT TO A DIFFERENT DEGREE. Refer to my post to Gman.

Originally posted by cloud345

It seems like your arguing against the Quran and other Mulsims, cause that is where I am getting all of my information from. I am taking my information from a person of the belief and the book they follow and you are taking yours from a randomn priest from california. I learned what i learned from textbooks and school, I don\'t know where you learned what you learned. You keep saying the same thing over and over when I have clearly proven you wrong.


GOD IS ALLAH AND ALLAH IS GOD. End of discussion.

Asserting that you are correct is no proper way to end a discussion. You have not proven me wrong. You have just decided to skim over the deeper problem with your comment. Check my links for my sources.


http://groups.msn.com/MuslimsaroundtheWorld/faqaboutislam.msnw


Can Jesus, or Mohammed peace be upon them be worshipped?
No, Allah does not accept that a cow, a person, an angel, a prophet, a stone, or anything be worshipped in place of him, or even along with Him. Worship must be to Allah the creator of them.



Is there a trinity in Islam?
No. Allah is perfect.


Do we believe that Allah created the heavens and earth in 6 days?
Yes, but He did not rest on the seventh day, because He did not get tired. Allah is perfect He does not get tired, nor does He sleep, eat, go to the bathroom, feel pain, or die for that matter.

Originally posted by EviscerationX
I hate the Quran. It states to kill all infidels. What a great religion. :rolleyes:

Have you read the Bible lately?

On another note. From my (although a bit limited) research on the Quran, it actually isn\'t so bad. In fact it\'s more liberal than the Bible for its time in some places. It\'s just that some crazy mofos interpret it differently, more agressively (but I guess you could say the same thing about the Bible).

[Evi]

Have you read the Bible lately?

Have you read the New Testament lately?

Originally posted by EviscerationX
Have you read the New Testament lately?

No, it\'s been like 6 months.

Have you read the Old Testament lately?

[Evi]

Naw...it\'s been forever.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Three different view points mean three different Gods. One cannot believe God to be a certain way while the other sees God a different way.

You can NOT have "somewhat" different religions if the God in each religion has such deep differences. You can\'t say that a Ferrari, Focus or a Jetta are the SAME car. They are still cards but they are completely different.

See? This is where you\'re stupid. Even you example for differnt model of cars argues against you.

Three different views = three different Gods? Do you know how many different points views just from the Christian side there are? There are 4 major denominations of Christians: Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Mormons. All four have been hostile towards one another in the past, sometimes today. So you were saying? Different view = different God? You are dumb.

And BTW, Allah means God. Allah Akbar means God is Great.

I swear, you don\'t realize you do not know as much as I do and yet you keep arguing that I\'m wrong. Dude, you are wrong. Accept it. Live with it. Learn from it.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
See? This is where you\'re stupid. Even you example for differnt model of cars argues against you.

Three different views = three different Gods? Do you know how many different points views just from the Christian side there are? There are 4 major denominations of Christians: Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Mormons. All four have been hostile towards one another in the past, sometimes today. So you were saying? Different view = different God? You are dumb.

And BTW, Allah means God. Allah Akbar means God is Great.

I swear, you don\'t realize you do not know as much as I do and yet you keep arguing that I\'m wrong. Dude, you are wrong. Accept it. Live with it. Learn from it.

Pluto, Minerva, Zeus, Venus, God and Allah then, when it comes down to it, the same person?

My example was a Ferrari, Focus and a Jetta...how does that prove me wrong? Three completely different cars, but they are still cars. NOT THE SAME CARS.

Different worship habits, different views on them, but they are all essentially the same?


Christianity is a complete different subject. The major division between the Christian religion is the way they worship God. Why do you think they split up in the first place? Mormons aren\'t even considered Christian by the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church thinks it self to be the REAL Church and the Orthodox follow a more traditional way of doing their worshipping.

If you were to compare how much I know with what you know, it would take a century. You insist that they are the same God. You keep comparing God BETWEEN the CHRISTIAN church and duh, they are going to worship the same God because all of the protestant religions derived from the same church!


But to say that Allah and God are the same. No, you are wrong. I have said it before and I\'ll say it again. The religions can NOT worship the same God, because their Gods are completely different "people"

Unless God is two-faced...

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
But to say that Allah and God are the same. No, you are wrong. I have said it before and I\'ll say it again. The religions can NOT worship the same God, because their Gods are completely different "people"

Unless God is two-faced...

This is where you keep making the same mistake. I\'ve already told you and proven to you by pointing to history, that the Muslims acknowledge Jesus as one of the prophet of Allah - their word for God. Not God is Great. But God. Got that? Allah Akbar means God is Great. You ~think~ you know more but you don\'t. Ya see, I\'ve been to the Middle East. I\'ve been roomates with Muslims. I\'ve read history books, read thesis, spoken with scholars and professors. Different interpretations of one thing does not make that one thing different from what it was. Next thing you\'re gonna say is that Luna is not the Moon.

^ that right there should tell you something but you\'re too thickheaded and ignorant to know any better.

What are you? A 12th grader? You\'re too damn stubborn and you watch too much MTV. Listen to your elders. We know more than you.

Admit you\'re wrong. Turn off MTV.

Agh SirMyst!@#!@#!#

Both Christianity and Islam came from Judaism!! This means they\'re looking at the same god but see it differently. Jesus Christ! (PUN!) get it through your head already!

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
This is where you keep making the same mistake. I\'ve already told you and proven to you by pointing to history, that the Muslims acknowledge Jesus as one of the prophet of Allah - their word for God. Not God is Great. But God. Got that? Allah Akbar means God is Great. You ~think~ you know more but you don\'t. Ya see, I\'ve been to the Middle East. I\'ve been roomates with Muslims. I\'ve read history books, read thesis, spoken with scholars and professors. Different interpretations of one thing does not make that one thing different from what it was. Next thing you\'re gonna say is that Luna is not the Moon.

^ that right there should tell you something but you\'re too thickheaded and ignorant to know any better.

What are you? A 12th grader? You\'re too damn stubborn and you watch too much MTV. Listen to your elders. We know more than you.

Admit you\'re wrong. Turn off MTV.

So much experience yet so little deep thinking. I guess experience doesn\'t equal smarts in your case.

First, What does the fact that Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a Prophet have ANYTHING to do with God?

I\'ve already told you that Muslims see Christianity as a MAN MADE religion and Christ is just  PROPHET. While on the other hand, Christians see Jesus as PART OF GOD. That is why the believe of the trinity is so critical. Muslims don\'t pray to Jesus, they don\'t consider Jesus a deity, He is just a prophet. The muslim God is just ONE person and Jesus has NOTHING to do with it other than being a prophet. You have proven nothing by history except that Abraham is the father of the three religions.

You keep ignoring my points by smearing one single comment you have and that comment to you seems to be the most correct. It is not. The fact that Muslims ACKNOWLEDGE Jesus as a prophet doesn\'t make the Gods the same.


Please, don\'t try to play the mature game. Because I\'m pretty damn sure that when it comes down to it, your intelligence is but a tick to mine.

How old are you anyways?

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Avatarr
Agh SirMyst!@#!@#!#

Both Christianity and Islam came from Judaism!! This means they\'re looking at the same god but see it differently. Jesus Christ! (PUN!) get it through your head already!

I know that. But just listen to what I\'m saying damn it!

How can two Gods that are perceived to be completely different be the same.

I admit, they are BOTH Gods but spiritually, from the beliefs of the people they are essentially different.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
I know that. But just listen to what I\'m saying damn it!

How can two Gods that are perceived to be completely different be the same.

I admit, they are BOTH Gods but spiritually, from the beliefs of the people they are essentially different.

They are still the same God. Religions can have their own interpretations about Allah who is God to Christians. God is not perceived all that different by Muslims and Christians. They have their own Quran, as Christians have the Bible, as the Mormons (who are Christians as well) have The Book of Latter Day Saints.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
So much experience yet so little deep thinking. I guess experience doesn\'t equal smarts in your case.

First, What does the fact that Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a Prophet have ANYTHING to do with God?

I\'ve already told you that Muslims see Christianity as a MAN MADE religion and Christ is just  PROPHET. While on the other hand, Christians see Jesus as PART OF GOD. That is why the believe of the trinity is so critical. Muslims don\'t pray to Jesus, they don\'t consider Jesus a deity, He is just a prophet. The muslim God is just ONE person and Jesus has NOTHING to do with it other than being a prophet. You have proven nothing by history except that Abraham is the father of the three religions.

You keep ignoring my points by smearing one single comment you have and that comment to you seems to be the most correct. It is not. The fact that Muslims ACKNOWLEDGE Jesus as a prophet doesn\'t make the Gods the same.


Please, don\'t try to play the mature game. Because I\'m pretty damn sure that when it comes down to it, your intelligence is but a tick to mine.

How old are you anyways?

Miss, you are dumber than fecal matter. Jesus is IN the Koran! He is a prophet of Allah! What else is there for me to make you realise that you are wrong? Or are you just too proud to admit you\'re wrong? Or are you just that stupid?

Git yer dumb ass back south of the border, please. If you don\'t, then please do not have kids coz you\'re gonna pass on your dum-dum genes to them.

We have to stop trying....it\'s pointless.

Mystiq is just too smart for us, for the quran, for the bible, for professors, for text books, hell, hes even to smart for the muslims.

First, What does the fact that Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a Prophet have ANYTHING to do with God?

Because that means that Jesus has spoken to God.  In one religion he is the son of god. In the other he talks to god.

For you to ignore it and say it doesnt have to be the same god is just you being thick headed. For you to completely ignore the Qur\'an and the beliefs of Islam and say they are different people just because you found a couple of things that "might" point to them as being different is comple ignorance!

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Miss, you are dumber than fecal matter. Jesus is IN the Koran! He is a prophet of Allah! What else is there for me to make you realise that you are wrong? Or are you just too proud to admit you\'re wrong? Or are you just that stupid?

Git yer dumb ass back south of the border, please. If you don\'t, then please do not have kids coz you\'re gonna pass on your dum-dum genes to them.

I have put up with your insults for some time now and I really don\'t intend to retaliate to your "mature" comments.

What you just said had NOTHING to do with your assumptions. I never said Jesus was not in the Koran you fool. Jesus is NOT DIVINE to Islam. To Muslims MOHEMMED is the one that bought the FINAL will of God to earth.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2005/003/2.20.html

And the rest of your post is a bunch of dim-witted racist bullshit that I really could care less about. It only highlites your ignorant stupidity.