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« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2005, 08:06:21 PM »
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We have to stop trying....it\'s pointless.

Mystiq is just too smart for us, for the quran, for the bible, for professors, for text books, hell, hes even to smart for the muslims.




Because that means that Jesus has spoken to God.  In one religion he is the son of god. In the other he talks to god.

For you to ignore it and say it doesnt have to be the same god is just you being thick headed. For you to completely ignore the Qur\'an and the beliefs of Islam and say they are different people just because you found a couple of things that "might" point to them as being different is comple ignorance!



You are clinically retarded. To even attempt to prove me wrong on your part is pretty pathetic.

You have proven nothing to me except that you know some basic knowledge of the religions. I have provided links, articles and comments by SCHOLARS, MUSLIMS AND TEXTBOOKS. You have ignored them all just like Gman has.

Both of you keep attacking me as if I was the only one in the world that thinks this way. Guess again fools.

In one religion Jesus is PART OF GOD. On another he is merely a prophet overshadowed by another final prophet.

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http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-quotes-afshari.htm

"That Islam was conceived in idolatry is shown by the fact that many rituals performed in the name of Allah were connected with the pagan worship that existed before Islam. And today, millions of Moslems pray towards Mecca, where the famous revered black stone is located. 1.Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as: the supreme of a pantheon of gods; the name of a god whom the Arabs worshipped; the chief god of the pantheon; Ali-ilah; the god; the supreme; the all-powerful; all-knowing; and totally unknowable; the predeterminer of everyone’s life destiny; chief of the gods; the special deity of the Quraish; having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat; having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).; the mate of Alat, the goddess of fate. 2.Because the Ka’aba, the sacred shrine which contains the Black Stone, in Mecca was used for pagan idol worship before Islam and even called the House of Allah at that time. 3.Because the rituals involved with the Islamic Pilgrimage are either identical or very close to the pre-Islamic pagan idol worship at Mecca. 4. Because of other Arabian history which points to heathen worship of the sun, moon, and the stars, as well as other gods, of which I believe Allah was in some way connected to. This then would prove to us that Allah is not the same as the true God of the Bible whom we worship, because God never changes." (Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, M. J. Afshari, p 6, 8-9)


http://minuteswithmessiah.tripod.com/question/notsame.html
http://www.christianresponse.org/articles/47/are-allah-and-god-the-same
http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/islam/IS1W0403.pdf
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html

How about this Cloud and Gman, you read those websites and get over your "I\'m right because I said so" attitudes, grow up and then come back and respond.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2005, 11:15:20 PM »
Dude those are all right wing christian sources that look for shit to deride and belittle non-christian religions. It doesn\'t matter anyway. If you ask a muslim what they\'re refering to when they say \'Allah\' and they say \'God\', you can\'t really prove them wrong. \'Allah\', \'God\', \'Yaweh\', \'Jehovah\', they\'re all just designatoins. They have their origins, but they certainly have a definate definition today.

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« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2005, 11:17:26 PM »
Oh also, prophets prophets... pophet of who? \'ALLAH\' == \'GOD\'

MISTIQ == DUMBSHIT

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« Reply #138 on: May 13, 2005, 04:24:21 AM »
Mystiq - you are going to reach China pretty soon with the hole you are digging.  You are wrong.  

All three share a commitment to the faith of Abraham.  Islam and Christianity rely heavily on Hebrew teachings so fundamentally they all believe in the same God.  It is the relationship with God and the people that make the three differ.
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« Reply #139 on: May 13, 2005, 04:44:17 AM »
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Mystiq - you are going to reach China pretty soon with the hole you are digging.  You are wrong.  

All three share a commitment to the faith of Abraham.  Islam and Christianity rely heavily on Hebrew teachings so fundamentally they all believe in the same God.  It is the relationship with God and the people that make the three differ.


Man, if Giga, who\'s not all that religious can see the the common thread between the three, why can\'t you Miss Tiq?
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« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2005, 05:36:26 AM »
cuz he\'s a fucknut who wants to make islam look evil and hedonistic.

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« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2005, 06:58:34 AM »
mystiq...when giga and gman rip you from time to time i do kinda think it\'s over  the top but, c\'mon man i\'m not a religious head in the least amount but i know that christians and muslims worship the same god...y\'know i\'ve seen some stickers on cars that stated "jesus is lord" maybe this what you\'re referring to to a degree, but ultimately they are the same god...yo, i haven\'t been right about every single thing i\'ve stated on this board, and when i\'m corrected i just look at it as if i\'ve learned something...

keep in mind that there will always be somebody that knows something you don\'t, or vice versa,...but it\'s nothing to be ashamed about,..just let this one go...
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« Reply #142 on: May 13, 2005, 07:15:49 PM »
Please Mystiq, your getting links from people who have studied stuff, I\'m not even going to bother looking at them because if they believe they are different gods as you do, they are wrong.

I gave you sources from where I got my info, which inluded muslims, teachers, very religous people oh and lets not forget the Quran. Which did you know, it says that Allah is god? It\'s very interesting. Although I may be wrong in thinking the Quran is a reliable source on this subject. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #143 on: May 13, 2005, 08:22:21 PM »
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Please Mystiq, your getting links from people who have studied stuff, I\'m not even going to bother looking at them because if they believe they are different gods as you do, they are wrong.

I gave you sources from where I got my info, which inluded muslims, teachers, very religous people oh and lets not forget the Quran. Which did you know, it says that Allah is god? It\'s very interesting. Although I may be wrong in thinking the Quran is a reliable source on this subject. :rolleyes:


Oh...he\'ll say something like "I know more than the Koran. MTV is God."
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« Reply #144 on: May 13, 2005, 08:23:33 PM »
Just stop posting, Mystiq.

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« Reply #145 on: May 13, 2005, 10:04:44 PM »
"Just stop posting Mystiq"?


Regardless of what you claim to be right, I see them as two different Gods. That is my interpretation. Why? Because I too have a Muslim friend who is gets very offended when people tell him that they are the same God. I\'ve read plenty of papers about it and I will not change my mind until somebody shows me something concrete that clearly points that when Christians pray to their God they are praying to the Muslim God. I was raised a Catholic but I don\'t recognize any other protestant religion as a true Christian one. Why? B/c of their interpretation of what God is. Simple.

I do know that they all share a THREAD to Abraham. That is it, when it comes down to each invidividual belief in their respective God, their beliefs are completely different. You can draw a connection, but you will not get a Christian to pray with a Muslim or vice-versa.

Gman, what is it with you and saying that I watch MTV anyways? I watch Comedy Central alot, just to give you a hint on other ways you can steryotype...


BTW Cloud, you only once gave me a "source" from the Quaran in which God called himself a "He" I responded to that with a link from a MUSLIM website explaining that.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #146 on: May 13, 2005, 10:34:37 PM »
I was just adding to the fire.

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« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2005, 11:21:04 PM »
SirMistiq needs to be sodomised by a donkey.

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« Reply #148 on: May 14, 2005, 02:48:18 AM »
Somehow the fact that Jesus is in the Koran seems to go right over his empty head. There are bumper stickers about Islam and displaying their respect for Jesus.

http://www.isoc-unsw.org.au/talks/badawi/node2.html#SECTION00020000000000000000
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No less than 11 chapters of the Qur\'an (out of 114) mention Jesus or his teachings. In fact one of the chapters is called Mariam (Mary), the mother of Jesus. The praise is not only given to Jesus, but to Jesus\' family in to which he was born. The Qur\'an does not question the virgin birth, and talks of it as one of the signs of Allah\'s ultimate power, and describes Jesus as a word from God, not the word from God. We are all vreated by the creative command of God ``be\'\'. He is also a ``spirit\'\' from God, not the ``spirit\'\' of God.



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« Reply #149 on: May 15, 2005, 09:58:59 AM »
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Al- Quran 59:22-24

God is He, Beside Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


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"Truly, I am Allah; there is no God but I; therefore serve Me"
[Al-Qur’an 20:14]


There are to quotes from my previous posts from the Quran having Allah say he is god. And please dont say just because he said he is god that doesnt mean he is the christian god beacause you know damn well which god he is. If you truley believe that he is not the same god as the christian god along with your friend you are both ignoarant and don\'t believe anything but what you want to believe.  Your Muslim friend has really no idea what he is praying to now does he? I have an extremely religous muslim friend who says that Allah is God. Tell your friend to get more in touch with his religion and to understand what he is praying to before he does it.

The bottom line is that your wrong about it Mystiq, this isnt a matter of opinion, it\'s in the Quran, it\'s what the belief of the religion is. Anything you say or do about it is pointless. YOU ARE WRONG PLEASE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD!
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