Microsoft HD-DVD 360 player and console for $900??

All I know is that I\'m praying that Blu-Ray becomes the popular format.

Nothing else. I\'m completely oblivious!

One day I am sure you\'ll be able to read and understand the discussion, but until then, let me break it down for you.

If you compare HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, no one is buying into Blu-Ray and critics right now are killing Blu-Ray for under-delivering.

let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works.  Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages.  Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now.  Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.

oh, it doesn\'t work on anyone

[Titan]

let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works.  Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages.  Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now.  Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.

At my house, we got a DVD player in like 2000, still semi-early on. The movies aren\'t as good as the newest player we got. The older DVD player looks like a huge black box. The new one we have is slim as hell and has all the bells and whistles they didn\'t have even a couple years before. I\'m waiting to buy a standalone blu-ray player (besides the PS3 of coarse) until they improve a bit more.

let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works.  Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages.  Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now.  Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.

Yeah, but DVD was up against inferior products- VHS, Laserdisc, etc.  Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price, and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go.  Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no?  Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?

I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential.  Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.

EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.

so much misinformation in one post has to violate at least 2 or state laws
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[Living-In-Clip]

let me respond simply by saying... your an ass and you have no idea how the market works.  Blu-Ray is still very much in its early stages.  Go get the first couple DVD\'s released and tell me how well they look compared to DVD\'s now.  Your arrogance might work on some people, but not on me.

Right and DVD was competing with what? VHS? Laserdisc? Not to mention DVD offered still a massive upgrade from VHS.

I may be an ass, but you\'re clueless. You\'re better off goin\' back to your hole and not posting, you\'re just making yourself look dumb.
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And there wasn\'t that much "misinformation" in the post, MM. You just like to deny anything not Pro-Sony.

so much misinformation in one post has to violate at least 2 or state laws
:eek:

What misinformation are you talking about?

Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price,

HD-DVD = $500

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-crkHHdQrn3B/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=279850&nvpair=FFFormat%7CHD+DVD#see_all

PS3(Core) = $500

hmmm....  MINDBOGGLING price difference!

and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go.

Thank you for making my point for me.  Sure HD-DVD is more refined right now,  but it\'s not like Blu-Ray isn\'t going to make progress.  Come on, honestly, you can\'t be that short sighted.

Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no?  Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?

Ugh... I didn\'t want to, but I guess I must:

-HD DVD has lower disc capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB)
-Blu-Ray proponents expect BD media manufacturing costs to approach those of HD DVD, once production volume has ramped.
-Blu-ray permits a higher maximum video-bitrate, as well as potentially higher average bitrates (due to greater total disc-capacity.)
-In terms of audio, there are greater differences. Blu-ray allows conventional AC-3 audiotracks at 640 kbit/s, which is higher than DVD/HD DVD\'s maximum, 448 kbit/s. On the other hand, Dolby Digital Plus support is mandatory for standalone HD DVD players at a maximum of 3 Mbit/s, while only optional for BD players and capped at 1.7 Mbit/s.

I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential.  Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.

Blu-Ray is missing only one motion picture company, Universal.  HD-DVD will have a few gaps in its library.  20th Century Fox anyone?  Also, Sony owns Columbia Pictures and recently bought MGM, which gives it a leg up on releasing content. And PlayStation 3 certainly will carry a huge chunk of clout in the marketplace.

EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.

And Blu-Ray\'s won\'t why?

In the end, you just typed whatever bullshit came to your mind and didn\'t take any time to look at the facts.  Your anti-Sony sentiment is quite noticeable, but next time you decide to go on a rant, do some research first.  Right now HD-DVD is getting its head start, but simply put, it cannot stand up to Blu-Ray on a technological standpoint, and certainly not in terms of support.  Sony has more exclusive companies working behind Blu-Ray.  I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to walk into the store and find out I can\'t get James Bond on HD-DVD because its owned by Sony.

Oh, and here are some more sources:

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/129058.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray

[Paul2]

Yeah, but DVD was up against inferior products- VHS, Laserdisc, etc.  Blu-Ray has an equal at a considerably lower entry price, and, as it is right now, HD-DVD is the better as far picture quality, sound, and features go.  Those are the very reasons to upgrade, no?  Why pay more when you can pay less...and for a better product?

I guess all those blu-ray aficianados are rallying for its potential.  Go ahead, in the mean time people are actually seeing what next-generation dvd\'s are all about.

EDIT: Also, don\'t forget that HD-DVD\'s quality will get better over time as well.

But it seems like only toshiba is the only backer of HD-DVD while other major brands are backing blu ray: panasonic, sony, philips, pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, mistubishi, etc.

So far, we only see hd-dvd models made from toshiba and a blu ray model from Samsung.  In the upcoming months through next year and beyond, we will see models from pioneer blu ray player, panasonic, sony blu ray player, and even ps3.  Then sharp, mitsubishi, and philips will come out with their own blu ray players too.  This just proves too much for the major backer of hd-dvd player from Toshiba.

Beside, blu ray dual layers disc and disney is planning on releasing movies using the dual layer blu ray disc with MPEG-4 video encoding.  The situation will be reversed by year\'s end as more blu ray players from different companies are coming out, and more selection of blu ray movies too, even those in dual layers...

like many members have said earlier that they won\'t bother upgrading to either blu ray or hd-dvd now.  What they will do is wait till there is a big price drop before they make the move which could be in at least a year or 2 or longer, and the 2nd reason why most haven\'t jump into next generation video player format yet is because so far there is no winner yet since is still too early in the competition between the 2 formats.

HD-DVD = $500

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-crkHHdQrn3B/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=279850&nvpair=FFFormat%7CHD+DVD#see_all

PS3(Core) = $500

hmmm....  MINDBOGGLING price difference!

Right now you can buy a less than $500 HD-DVD player.  Right now.  Can\'t say the same for blu-ray.  I imagine that price will come down even further as the holiday approaces, but that\'s just an assumption.

Thank you for making my point for me.  Sure HD-DVD is more refined right now,  but it\'s not like Blu-Ray isn\'t going to make progress.  Come on, honestly, you can\'t be that short sighted.

Again, right now.  And obviously I knew that Blu-ray was going to make progress otherwise I would have omitted the "as of right now" part of the sentence.  Jesus...dense...

Ugh... I didn\'t want to, but I guess I must:

-HD DVD has lower disc capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB)
-Blu-Ray proponents expect BD media manufacturing costs to approach those of HD DVD, once production volume has ramped.
-Blu-ray permits a higher maximum video-bitrate, as well as potentially higher average bitrates (due to greater total disc-capacity.)
-In terms of audio, there are greater differences. Blu-ray allows conventional AC-3 audiotracks at 640 kbit/s, which is higher than DVD/HD DVD\'s maximum, 448 kbit/s. On the other hand, Dolby Digital Plus support is mandatory for standalone HD DVD players at a maximum of 3 Mbit/s, while only optional for BD players and capped at 1.7 Mbit/s.

Incorrect.  Triple layer, 45 GB HD-DVD discs are on the way, and there is a 4 layer 60 GB theoretical max.  Truth is that it\'s cheaper to release a 2 HD-DVD pack than a 60 GB disc.

Blu-Ray is missing only one motion picture company, Universal.  HD-DVD will have a few gaps in its library.  20th Century Fox anyone?  Also, Sony owns Columbia Pictures and recently bought MGM, which gives it a leg up on releasing content. And PlayStation 3 certainly will carry a huge chunk of clout in the marketplace.

Sony does not own MGM.  They were one of many partners who bought them.  

Last I checked, Universal, Warner Bros., and Paramount make quite a few movies.  Disney is considering supporting HD-DVD as well.  

And Blu-Ray\'s won\'t why?

I didn\'t say they would not improve.  I was making an inclusive arguement.  Comprehension is key.

In the end, you just typed whatever bullshit came to your mind and didn\'t take any time to look at the facts.  Your anti-Sony sentiment is quite noticeable, but next time you decide to go on a rant, do some research first.  Right now HD-DVD is getting its head start, but simply put, it cannot stand up to Blu-Ray on a technological standpoint, and certainly not in terms of support.  Sony has more exclusive companies working behind Blu-Ray.  I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to walk into the store and find out I can\'t get James Bond on HD-DVD because its owned by Sony.

lol.  I won\'t stop Sony from shoveling all that shit in your mouth.

But it seems like only toshiba is the only backer of HD-DVD while other major brands are backing blu ray: panasonic, sony, philips, pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, mistubishi, etc.

So far, we only see hd-dvd models made from toshiba and a blu ray model from Samsung.  In the upcoming months through next year and beyond, we will see models from pioneer blu ray player, panasonic, sony blu ray player, and even ps3.  Then sharp, mitsubishi, and philips will come out with their own blu ray players too.  This just proves too much for the major backer of hd-dvd player from Toshiba.

This can, and most likely will change.  Companies would be ignorant to ignore the success of HD-DVD thus far.

While there is a blu-ray player in every PS3, the movie attach rate is what ultimately matters.  Want me to put it in perspective?  Every PSP is able to play UMD movies, and looky what happened to that format.

Beside, blu ray dual layers disc and disney is planning on releasing movies using the dual layer blu ray disc with MPEG-4 video encoding.  The situation will be reversed by year\'s end as more blu ray players from different companies are coming out, and more selection of blu ray movies too, even those in dual layers...

I\'m very well aware of this.  At least then the two can be fairly compared.  Until then...

like many members have said earlier that they won\'t bother upgrading to either blu ray or hd-dvd now.  What they will do is wait till there is a big price drop before they make the move which could be in at least a year or 2 or longer, and the 2nd reason why most haven\'t jump into next generation video player format yet is because so far there is no winner yet since is still too early in the competition between the 2 formats.

I agree.

[Titan]

I dunno about HD-DVD. I still have yet to see one commercial for HD-DVD. I keep seeing commercials saying "coming to DVD and Blu-Ray" or "now available on DVD and Blu-Ray". Still waiting for HD-DVD commercials.

Riku, where is a link stating that an HD-DVD player is under 500? I sometimes can\'t find extremely good DVD players for under 500. Makes me wonder of the quality. Anyone remember when DVD came out how expensive those players were and how crappy they were compared to even the lesser known brands today?

LIC, didn\'t DVD battle against VCD when it was released? No doubt the DVD was superior seeing as VCD was more of VHS quality. Still though, I like to use VCDs on my computer with some projects. I mean if its not good enough quality or a small video project that will fill a DVD, I\'d rather not waste my DVDs

I think it would be kind of cool that in the future, a Blu-Ray player will be released that could play HD-DVD (for the ones released already) and Blu-Ray so someone doesn\'t have to buy two players. Kinda farfetched I guess.

I dunno about HD-DVD. I still have yet to see one commercial for HD-DVD. I keep seeing commercials saying "coming to DVD and Blu-Ray" or "now available on DVD and Blu-Ray". Still waiting for HD-DVD commercials.

Riku, where is a link stating that an HD-DVD player is under 500? I sometimes can\'t find extremely good DVD players for under 500. Makes me wonder of the quality. Anyone remember when DVD came out how expensive those players were and how crappy they were compared to even the lesser known brands today?

Click Me

Circuit City had the same one for $480 just yesterday.

Hardware will improve as time goes on.  Just so you know, the HD-DVD players have scored higher in consumer reviews than the blu-ray players.  That probably has much more to do with the movie quality rather than the hardware, but...yeah.

Riku, I still see one major flaw with your argument, since when did HD-DVD become a huge success.

and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mgm

As of 2005, MGM now produces film and television content in conjunction with the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group through Sony Pictures Entertainment, although in March 2006 it announced that it would continue to distribute theatrical films under the MGM name domestically, and separate from the Sony brand. However, Columbia TriStar and Sony Pictures would continue to distribute MGM/UA\'s films domestically and 20th Century Fox would distribute internationally.