thoughts on imus?....

I think Uni means that perhaps you (in a broad sense) should look at the reasons why these stereotypes are sometimes right.

Yep

I think this whole scenario shows the double standards we live with today.

Earlier in Imus\' career he made a comment about someone being a money grubbing jew. Not a single thing happened to Imus in this case.

Rosie O\'Donnel made a comment where while predicting the title of a chinese newspaper she used many chings and chongs. Obvisouly disrespecting the chinese people, as well as other Asians. She got off with an apology.

Michael Irvin made a comment that Tony Romo must be part black because hes athletic......nothing special there, just a nice little joke.

But when a white talk show host speaks negatively of a black person, its front page news for days and the man is fired.....wheres the justice in that? Its a blatant doubel standard, if society is going to have such strict rules when concerning one race, it should be the same for all races. If a black makes a comment about an asian online fire them, if an asian talks negatively about a white then fire them too.

I think this whole scenario shows the double standards we live with today.

Earlier in Imus\' career he made a comment about someone being a money grubbing jew. Not a single thing happened to Imus in this case.

Rosie O\'Donnel made a comment where while predicting the title of a chinese newspaper she used many chings and chongs. Obvisouly disrespecting the chinese people, as well as other Asians. She got off with an apology.

Michael Irvin made a comment that Tony Romo must be part black because hes athletic......nothing special there, just a nice little joke.

But when a white talk show host speaks negatively of a black person, its front page news for days and the man is fired.....wheres the justice in that? Its a blatant doubel standard, if society is going to have such strict rules when concerning one race, it should be the same for all races. If a black makes a comment about an asian online fire them, if an asian talks negatively about a white then fire them too.

from the perspective of someone who is neither black or white, it sounds like this is "payback" for all the slavery & discrimination that happened before any of us were born.

whites treated the blacks like sh!t for years, it\'s only natural for people to get all defensive when a smidgen of it pops up again.

Expect this BS to decrease as the newer generations take over but until then you whiteys got the short end of the stick.

I understand that, but its not like black people were the only slaves ever.....I\'m sure blacks themselves enslaved other people back in the olden days. Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Mongols, Persians all had slaves.......black, white, yellow and possibly even green.

The problem in Americas is that everyone thinks in terms of race. For instance in the last super bowl, the fact that it was the first two black coaches in the superbowl was a bigger story than the game itself. I just think that until this country stops thinking in terms of black and white we cant move past the racism.

oh and P.S Nappy Headed Ho- Girl with bad hair.....so unless i found a bad definition.....can someone show me the racist link in this story?

Read all of the posts then come back and start an argument.  We already established the nappy-headed comment as being racist as it has been used as a derogatory terms towards black in the past.  The worst word ever? Meh.  Still, it struck a cord.

As for the stereotype thing Ash mentioned.  Stereotypes are just that, a broad swathe of a attribute given to any group of "outsiders";  Black, jew, female, Indonesian, whatever you\'re not.  Any sociology course will go over how we tend to group people together and view them as more similar if they are outside of our own social group.  Therefore, since the white is the majority, we tend to group the non-majority into broad categories.  It has nothing to do with actual commonalities, or at least, not a direct correspondence that you seem to be hinting at.

[Titan]

In-grouping and out-grouping is part of human nature. I don\'t think stereotypes will ever go anywhere. Even if all races accepted everyone, there will still be that racial stereotypes. Just because you have stereotype beliefs doesn\'t make you a racist. I have stereotypes about all groups of people, white, black, mexican, guys, girls, etc. Doesn\'t mean I don\'t like a group. I have friends from all races and groups. But its those differences that I think make life interesting. Stereotype me all you want. I have stereotypes of you too so its equal.

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from the perspective of someone who is neither black or white, it sounds like this is "payback" for all the slavery & discrimination that happened before any of us were born.

whites treated the blacks like sh!t for years, it\'s only natural for people to get all defensive when a smidgen of it pops up again.

Expect this BS to decrease as the newer generations take over but until then you whiteys got the short end of the stick.

the years are startin to stretch a bit now, but the 60\'s weren\'t that long ago...signs for bathrooms that stated "whites here" "niggers here"...used to be the norm,...i\'ve read stories of black folk bein hung just for lookin\' casually at white women, or for just not doin\' anything at all..... i don\'t need to go back through all of that bulls**t,... i get a little heated when i think about it..but up until i say maybe the early 70\'s is when things very slowly started to improve....and i think like thx stated, with each generation things will continue to improve....the task now since imus was canned is for black folk to step up to the plate and protest in front of record labels that promote the very things they were upset about....i\'m sure you can still make a quality rap song without all of that garbage.

And believe me, we need to do this, we cannot go back and be hypocritical about it, because in all honesty i can truly say that when i\'m in the clubs and a song will come on and say "where my bitches at?"...and you will see basically all of the hands of females in the club go up.....white, black it didn\'t matter....if some time goes by, and if nobody is at least sayin\' somethin\' about the videos and ongoings of the rap culture or any kind of protesting to put pressure on these rappers and labels,the next time an "imus" shows his head, he will definitely be fined with a slap on the wrist...i hope we\'ll be able to step up to the plate, and redeem some of our self-respect back,...but sadly i don\'t feel it\'s going to happen....


ps-titan & phil wrapped up the stereotype thingy nicely...

agreed.....to be fair tho the holocaust was a one time event for the jews while slavery was what 600 - 800 years strong?....still both were a tragedy in history in general and we should all strive to be better overall human beings in general...

No big deal, but just so you know...  Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years.  The 20th century holocaust was only a piece of it.

Of course slavery in all its forms probably goes back to the beginning of our species, so the general institution of slavery probably has the edge on any problems the jews have encountered.  However, the holocaust wasn\'t a one time event.

the task now since imus was canned is for black folk to step up to the plate and protest in front of record labels that promote the very things they were upset about....i\'m sure you can still make a quality rap song without all of that garbage.

And believe me, we need to do this, we cannot go back and be hypocritical about it, because in all honesty i can truly say that when i\'m in the clubs and a song will come on and say "where my bitches at?"...and you will see basically all of the hands of females in the club go up.....white, black it didn\'t matter....if some time goes by, and if nobody is at least sayin\' somethin\' about the videos and ongoings of the rap culture or any kind of protesting to put pressure on these rappers and labels,the next time an "imus" shows his head, he will definitely be fined with a slap on the wrist...i hope we\'ll be able to step up to the plate, and redeem some of our self-respect back,...but sadly i don\'t feel it\'s going to happen....

Yea, good luck with that happening thanks to something little called, freedom of speech. What Imus said was pretty stupid, however the only reason he got fired was due to Jesse Jackson an Al Sharpton(Talk about someone with nappy hair, must have struck a nerve) getting there two cents and calling for his head. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are no better than Imus, they are probably bigger racists than Imus, I\'d like to see Sharpton or Jackson do anything but help a black person. Those two make things worse for the black race, Sharpton and Jackson only want to be in the news when it is convenient to help themselves.

HAPPY JACKIE ROBINSON DAY!

I think this is getting blown out of proportion because of the Michael Richards incident too. It seems like people are still in shock. If this happened even 5 years ago, no one would give a second look. I\'ve heard Howard Stern make worse jokes. This was just stupid and I don\'t think it deserves attention. Its getting all this attention so news anchors can try and further their careers.

It\'s all about context and you know that with Stern. This guy has a morning show that almost always tackles some serious topic or another. Stern also has a black person on the show and its a woman to boot...lol

[Titan]

It\'s all about context and you know that with Stern. This guy has a morning show that almost always tackles some serious topic or another. Stern also has a black person on the show and its a woman to boot...lol

That is true. That black woman I always found to be funny. I thought she was very entertaining to listen to. That\'s why I liked to listen to Sterns show. It had an interesting group of people that made my drive to high school very entertaining. Sucks he\'s on satellite now

oh and P.S Nappy Headed Ho- Girl with bad hair.....so unless i found a bad definition.....can someone show me the racist link in this story?

Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source
nappy (adj.)
"downy," 1499, from nap (n.). Meaning "fuzzy, kinky," used in colloquial or derogatory ref. to the hair of black people, is from 1950.

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper (taken from http://www.dictionary.com)




so when wasn\'t it a racist comment, again?

[Titan]

Nappy isn\'t just used towards black people though. The name for Napster came from when the creator\'s (who was white, btw) friends said he had nappy hair. It can be used racially as well as non-racially. I never thought until this Imus thing that it could be used racially. I used to say it to describe the being of someone\'s hair.

dont even try it.... no one else on the face of the earth has hair similar to black ppl except for some of those in the caribbean