Republicrats?

Hmmm....who\'s been in charge of congress longer?....riiight...the republicans...i already stated that both sides have been acting like a**holes as to the reason why nothing is being done, both sides are playin\' the politics game....as far as bush bein\'the worst prez?...let\'s see....an unjust war,...over 4000 americans killed for no reason really, since saddam had nothing to do with 911, an 100 billion dollar debt from his war, a 600 billion dollar u.s. embassy bein\' built in iraq *that nobody seems to notice btw*..strained relationships internationally because of his arrogance, the economy under his watch....i could go on & on...

Look at the trend in Congressional approval - it took a huge drop when the Dems took over.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html#polls


Unjust war?  How so?  Iraq violated UN Security Council Resolutions.  4000 Americans killed.  It is war and it is an all volunteer military - in 5 years that is not a huge amount compared to other wars.  

I have no clue what you are babbling about in regards to the embassy in Baghdad.  Who cares?

Strained relationships with Europe?  Once again who cares?  Do they pay taxes here?  Do they vote here?  Who will they come crying to if the shit hits the fan?

Nice try...keep reaching...everybody knows he was too busy involved with hillary trying to become the nominee, nobody expected their race to go as long as it did, so he really didn\'t have any time....McCain\'s a hypocrite,..he blasts him for not going, then when does go McCain states "uhm we have more important matters in the u.s."....pathetic...as you very well know..the republican race for the nominee was over months before the dems had their nominee....and while hillary & Obama was battling it out, McCain had time to make those trips over seas and to iraq.

No, learn to read clips - McCain blasted him for going to Europe and acting like the President.  Not for going to Iraq or Afghanistan.  Was the trip to Europe necessary?  No.  Was it in bad taste to meet with foreign heads of state?  Yes.  

McCain has been to Iraq numerous times and based his policies on what he has seen over there.  Obama made up his mind before even setting foot over there.  Huge difference and that is what he was getting beat up over.

And Obama will debate McCain when he\'s ready, not when McCain says so...

Don\'t you mean only when the teleprompter says so?


clips - stop avoiding my one question:  What great visions and ideas does Obama have?  You keep ducking it.  You keep referring to them, yet I really am starting to believe you don\'t know of any... oh wait - he is black!  That\'s it!

[clips]

Unjust war? How so? Iraq violated UN Security Council Resolutions. 4000 Americans killed. It is war and it is an all volunteer military - in 5 years that is not a huge amount compared to other wars.

Please...right after 9/11 bush focused soley on iraq,..he was even more focused on iraq than afghanastan.....the sanctions was keepin\' saddam in check,...there was no need for regime change....trust,..i wanted some revenge too after 911, but goin\' after saddam was the wrong thing to do...the u.s. clearly looked like a bully in the eyes of the world, and we were...

I have no clue what you are babbling about in regards to the embassy in Baghdad. Who cares?

Hmmm...for a prez that states he only wants iraq to be secure & to govern itself so we can leave, don\'t you think having a massive 600 billion dollar embassy in their country says otherwise?...

Strained relationships with Europe? Once again who cares? Do they pay taxes here? Do they vote here? Who will they come crying to if the shit hits the fan?

So you think for the rest of eternity that the u.s, will be able to handle it\'s problems on it\'s own?.....let\'s not have amnesia all of a sudden,.when s**t started to hit the fan in iraq..*around the time when the insurgents was draggin\' u.s. soldiers in tha streets and cuttin people\'s heads off*.....bush went back to u.n. and asked for help from those same countries that he told "we\'ll go it alone"....you and i both know that the u.s. cannot handle another iraq situation anytime soon,..the u.s. military is strained because of the recklessness of this president. And this is a guy with "experience"...:rolleyes:...strong relationships are needed by all countries to combat the people that want to harm us all...any other type of thinking is flawed logic..

No, learn to read clips - McCain blasted him for going to Europe and acting like the President. Not for going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Was the trip to Europe necessary? No. Was it in bad taste to meet with foreign heads of state? Yes.

He\'s acting presidential??....wow,..are you serious?...when we take a look at both Obama & McCain you never said to yourself.."yeah i can see McCain being the president... he has the poise & demeanor of a prez".<---- i don\'t think McCain does imo but i\'m just sayin.....So now that "Obama wants to beef up his international & foreign policy skills, now he\'s looking TOO presidential?...you\'re unbelievable.....he wants to look presidential in the eyes of the american public and across the world since McCain & crew stated that he has no experience.

But since he\'s been recieving so much high praise in iraq & europe McCain & crew have been acting jealous...crying and saying.."it\'s not fair i don\'t receive the same amount of coverage as Obama"...i say to McCain...just be careful what you wish for...he ragged on Obama for months about iraq, and when he finally goes he whines about it....pathetic....so what if he meets with other leaders?...he\'s making it known to McCain and to the world, that he\'s ready to step up to the plate on an international level, and if that makes him look presidential, then i say "mission accomplished", because he\'ll only gain more respect by his critics and the american public by doing so...

clips - stop avoiding my one question: What great visions and ideas does Obama have? You keep ducking it. You keep referring to them, yet I really am starting to believe you don\'t know of any... oh wait - he is black! That\'s it!

I answered that already, but you seem to be ducking my question....i asked you to list what qualifies your boy McCain to be prez,..and you never answered that,..if you put out a list..i\'ll surf the net to find Obama\'s ...but since McCain is older like i already stated, his resume is going to be longer,...older doesn\'t always means wiser btw...

[Jumpman]

...

is obama president yet?

Please tell me your joking.  This message is for clips too.  Our country may not be in the greatest of shape... in fact, its in terrible shape, but Obama would only make things worse.

Remember when Hillary accused all the Republicans of being war mongering politicians.  Not only is this not true (Ron Paul voted AGAINST the war), but Hillary voted FOR the war.  The democratic foreign policy would be a carbon copy of Bush\'s, don\'t kid yourself.

Obama is not the answer.  McCain is not the answer.  There is no answer because our government won\'t allow it.

Well the question is then who truly controls the government and how can the citizens free their selves from the system for which Ron Paul was warning people about?

Well the question is then who truly controls the government and how can the citizens free their selves from the system for which Ron Paul was warning people about?

It\'s too late my friend.  We let ourselves become slaves of our government.  We let them take about a third of our income, and we say nothing.  We let them have a military presence in 130 countries, costing us billions of dollars annually, and we say nothing.  We continue to let them treat the constitution as if it were a history report, and we say nothing.

Why do we say nothing?  Partly because we think this is the way its supposed to be.  Or maybe its because the government is so big now that it wouldn\'t matter.  Anyone who even dares to challenge our current system gets put in the corner at the political debates in favor of those who preach the status quo.

That\'s the beautiful thing about deception.  Someone like Obama can tout "change" as a political slogan.  He doesn\'t mean that.  He wants MORE government spending and that means more worker\'s tax dollars.  He favors our current foreign policy.  He wants even more mindless social programs.  So how is this different than what we\'ve had to deal with the past 20-25 years?  It\'s not.  Obama or McCain, take your pick, you\'re fucked either way.  It just depends if you prefer someone who\'s up front about it, or someone who\'s deceiving you.

Change. Nothing short of anarchy will bring change.  I don\'t see that happening anytime soon.

Couldnt agree more. :thumb:

Please...right after 9/11 bush focused soley on iraq,..he was even more focused on iraq than afghanastan.....the sanctions was keepin\' saddam in check,...there was no need for regime change....trust,..i wanted some revenge too after 911, but goin\' after saddam was the wrong thing to do...the u.s. clearly looked like a bully in the eyes of the world, and we were...

Sanctions were keeping him in check?  Don\'t think so.  He was trying to acquire wmd\'s and he was firing at our planes in the no fly zone.  Oh, and this just in - we are winning the war in Iraq according to the AP, which says a lot.  Guess that surge NoBama was against actually worked.  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_an/iraq_winning_the_war

Hmmm...for a prez that states he only wants iraq to be secure & to govern itself so we can leave, don\'t you think having a massive 600 billion dollar embassy in their country says otherwise?...

What?  In that section of the world I would want the best defense money could buy.  Also, this proves your inability to READ clips - it is $592 million - NOT BILLION. Big difference there chief.  You are going way off topic with your idiotic complaint about how much our embassy costs.

So you think for the rest of eternity that the u.s, will be able to handle it\'s problems on it\'s own?.....let\'s not have amnesia all of a sudden,.when s**t started to hit the fan in iraq..*around the time when the insurgents was draggin\' u.s. soldiers in tha streets and cuttin people\'s heads off*.....bush went back to u.n. and asked for help from those same countries that he told "we\'ll go it alone"....you and i both know that the u.s. cannot handle another iraq situation anytime soon,..the u.s. military is strained because of the recklessness of this president. And this is a guy with "experience"...:rolleyes:...strong relationships are needed by all countries to combat the people that want to harm us all...any other type of thinking is flawed logic..

You are delusional.  We don\'t need "help" in the way you think we do.  It is symbolic and if you don\'t believe me - click on the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq

The other countries sending troops there are a drop in the bucket when compared to US troop presence.  Back up the shit you claim with facts.

He\'s acting presidential??....wow,..are you serious?...when we take a look at both Obama & McCain you never said to yourself.."yeah i can see McCain being the president... he has the poise & demeanor of a prez".<---- i don\'t think McCain does imo but i\'m just sayin.....So now that "Obama wants to beef up his international & foreign policy skills, now he\'s looking TOO presidential?...you\'re unbelievable.....he wants to look presidential in the eyes of the american public and across the world since McCain & crew stated that he has no experience.

He is acting like he is already president - he is not.  I said acting like the President - not presidential - once again you fail to comprehend what you read.  Only the President meets with heads of foreign states - not candidates.  Four weeks will do nothing for his foreign policy skills.  He isn\'t looking "presidential" - he is acting like he is already elected.  He wouldn\'t even meet with injured troops in Germany because he couldn\'t get a photo op - which he lied about by saying the DOD said he couldn\'t go.  He could, just not with the reporters and his campaign staff.  

But since he\'s been recieving so much high praise in iraq & europe McCain & crew have been acting jealous...crying and saying.."it\'s not fair i don\'t receive the same amount of coverage as Obama"...i say to McCain...just be careful what you wish for...he ragged on Obama for months about iraq, and when he finally goes he whines about it....pathetic....so what if he meets with other leaders?...he\'s making it known to McCain and to the world, that he\'s ready to step up to the plate on an international level, and if that makes him look presidential, then i say "mission accomplished", because he\'ll only gain more respect by his critics and the american public by doing so...

His trip was laughable.  McCain is hardly jealous and was poking fun by visiting towns in the US by the same name.  It is true the press is all for Obama - he gives them that special feeling that runs up their leg :rolleyes:.  Oh and by the way the troops that he did visit thought he was a dipshit and was totally like a fish out of water.

I answered that already, but you seem to be ducking my question....i asked you to list what qualifies your boy McCain to be prez,..and you never answered that,..if you put out a list..i\'ll surf the net to find Obama\'s ...but since McCain is older like i already stated, his resume is going to be longer,...older doesn\'t always means wiser btw...

You did??? where!?!?!?!  McCain\'s experience in the Senate alone qualifies him.  Obama has done nothing since he has been elected.  Once again what has HE DONE????  ANSWER THE QUESTION - How is he qualifed to lead this country???????????  You are just like Unicron who won\'t answer questions about statements he has made.

[clips]

Sanctions were keeping him in check? Don\'t think so. He was trying to acquire wmd\'s and he was firing at our planes in the no fly zone. Oh, and this just in - we are winning the war in Iraq according to the AP, which says a lot. Guess that surge NoBama was against actually worked.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/...inning_the_war

It means nothing really...we should not have been there in the place...you want to condone an unjust war just because bush & co says so?..feel free to be sheep if you want....Saddam was not responsible for 9/11 and he had no wmd\'s or direct links to al queada(spel)....it\'s funny how this war went down,..."we\'re going to find wmd\'s"....then "we\'re going to liberate the iraqi people"..and the american public eats it up and acts like invading that country was a good thing..:rolleyes:...it\'s good that violence has come down, in iraq, but that still doesn\'t dismiss the fact that it was wrong in the first place...


And didn\'t McCain stated some time last year that you could walk freely in iraq? Talkin\' about the rseidents were openly buying food from markets and business was thriving...:rolleyes:..he also stated that with a million soldiers around him & about 7 choppers flying overhead....kinda hard to trust somebody who\'s as delusional as McCain was back then..instead of bein\' honest of the situation back then, he practically lied about it...

What? In that section of the world I would want the best defense money could buy. Also, this proves your inability to READ clips - it is $592 million - NOT BILLION. Big difference there chief. You are going way off topic with your idiotic complaint about how much our embassy costs.

Oh sure..592 million is waaay different than 600 billion...:rolleyes: that is still alot of money....and that wasn\'t my point,..my point was that if we weren\'t planning on staying there, why is that massive embassy in iraq?...right so we can have a presence there...a HUGE presence btw...

He is acting like he is already president - he is not. I said acting like the President - not presidential - once again you fail to comprehend what you read. Only the President meets with heads of foreign states - not candidates. Four weeks will do nothing for his foreign policy skills. He isn\'t looking "presidential" - he is acting like he is already elected.

Hmmm...so when McCain met with leaders of Canada, Columbia & other leaders of the world while hillary and obama were still fighting for the noiminee, he wasn\'t acting like the president?...:rolleyes:....keep reachin\' and again McCain can\'t have it both ways and in saying so he\'s being a huge hypocrite...nice try tho...

You are delusional. We don\'t need "help" in the way you think we do. It is symbolic and if you don\'t believe me - click on the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multina..._force_in_Iraq

The other countries sending troops there are a drop in the bucket when compared to US troop presence. Back up the shit you claim with facts

If we didn\'t need help then explain why bush ran back to u.n. for "help" when s**t started to get crazy over there....of course we had the most troops over there, we were the one\'s who initiated the war!!...my point is that the u.s. cannot fight two major fronts at the same time... in order for them to squash some of the violence in iraq, they had to add more troops,...in doing so, they could not shift any troops to afghanastan...when the u.s. can handle two major scenario\'s at the same time, that is when we won\'t need any help....furthermore if we didn\'t need any help,..we just would have done everything instead of asking other countries to assist us in iraq.

His trip was laughable. McCain is hardly jealous and was poking fun by visiting towns in the US by the same name. It is true the press is all for Obama - he gives them that special feeling that runs up their leg . Oh and by the way the troops that he did visit thought he was a dipshit and was totally like a fish out of water.

Funny..i didn\'t hear that bit about the troops thinking he was out of place?...*link?*...but let\'s be honest, you truly believe that every soldier loves McCain just because he\'a vet? of course not...so i do believe that there are probably soldiers that might not like Obama..see how that works?..it goes both ways....oh and his trip was a huge success..compare that to when bush makes trips around the world,..he\'s practically hated everywhere...his trip showed that he can repair the strained relationships caused by bush\'s blunders and arrogance...

Oh sure..592 million is waaay different than 600 billion...:rolleyes: that is still alot of money....and that wasn\'t my point,..my point was that if we weren\'t planning on staying there, why is that massive embassy in iraq?...right so we can have a presence there...a HUGE presence btw...

If you had simply said "mea culpa, that was a typo", I wouldn\'t have said anything. Since you didn\'t, and you seem to think there\'s not much of a difference between half a billion and half a trillion, there shouldn\'t be much difference in a Honda Civic costing $15,000, and one costing fifteen million.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styYIG-fiEc

[Jumpman]

Go kill yourself.

[clips]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styYIG-fiEc

I\'m not big on conspiracy issues..if Ron Paul and this other guy are so big and knowledgeable about what\'s goin\'on, they\'re in a waay better position to do something about it than the average american, yet they sit here doing an interview about it...:rolleyes:....next!!!


I believe some of what they\'re saying, but to say that paper money we recieve isn\'t really true currency?...you have to buy everything with that paper money.(food, gas etc)...all the gov\'t\'s of the world have some type of paper currency,..so now is it all just one huge world wide conspiracy?...

These guys talk a good talk, but after the camera stops rollin\' they probably go sit on the couch with their hands in their pants like Al Bundy.

Man, you babble a lot.  The situation in Iraq HAS improved, get over it.

Oh sure..592 million is waaay different than 600 billion...:rolleyes: that is still alot of money....and that wasn\'t my point,..my point was that if we weren\'t planning on staying there, why is that massive embassy in iraq?...right so we can have a presence there...a HUGE presence btw...

An embassy = huge presence in Iraq???  You are crazy.  We have expensive embassies in most countries and I fail to see your point here.  You are making assumptions on things that you have no proof of.

Hmmm...so when McCain met with leaders of Canada, Columbia & other leaders of the world while hillary and obama were still fighting for the noiminee, he wasn\'t acting like the president?...:rolleyes:....keep reachin\' and again McCain can\'t have it both ways and in saying so he\'s being a huge hypocrite...nice try tho...

Link please - he did not meet with the Canadian Prime Minister.  Also McCain didn\'t give speeches at these events.  What is Obama campaigning for?  World Leader?  

Speaking of having it both ways - Obama is the king of trying to have it both ways.

http://www.bothwaysbarack.com/

If we didn\'t need help then explain why bush ran back to u.n. for "help" when s**t started to get crazy over there....of course we had the most troops over there, we were the one\'s who initiated the war!!...my point is that the u.s. cannot fight two major fronts at the same time... in order for them to squash some of the violence in iraq, they had to add more troops,...in doing so, they could not shift any troops to afghanastan...when the u.s. can handle two major scenario\'s at the same time, that is when we won\'t need any help....furthermore if we didn\'t need any help,..we just would have done everything instead of asking other countries to assist us in iraq.

Link please.

Funny..i didn\'t hear that bit about the troops thinking he was out of place?...*link?*...but let\'s be honest, you truly believe that every soldier loves McCain just because he\'a vet? of course not...so i do believe that there are probably soldiers that might not like Obama..see how that works?..it goes both ways....oh and his trip was a huge success..compare that to when bush makes trips around the world,..he\'s practically hated everywhere...his trip showed that he can repair the strained relationships caused by bush\'s blunders and arrogance...

Unlike you I have friends in the military and a few who were actually at the Obama event.  Most of the military thinks he is a joke and I can say this with certainty.  

An email from a 23 year veteran of more than one branch of the military:

    MY MEETING (ALMOST) WITH OBAMA
    <...>
    I had a first hand view of Barrack Obama\'s "fact finding" mission, when he passed through this base.

    While I can\'t name it, it\'s one of the largest air bases in the region, with up to 8000 troops (depending on influxes and transients in mobilization/demobilization status), mostly Airmen and Soldiers, but some Marines, Sailors, Koreans, Japanese, Aussies, Brits, US Civil Service, contractors including KBR, Blackwater and Halliburton, among others in the news. The overwhelming majority of all of these are professional, courteous and disciplined. Problems are rare.

    Casualties are also rare. This base has a large hospital for evacuation—twenty plus beds. I have yet to see a casualty in one, though I am told there are about three evacuations a week through this region, of which two on average are things like sports injuries, vehicle accidents or duty related falls and such. You can tell from the news that the war is going well. The ghouls are now focusing on Afghanistan, since there is no blood to type with here.

    This oped is of course subjective and limited, but I will try to present the facts as I saw them. I wasn\'t able to see much, which makes a point all by itself.

    When his plane arrived (also containing Senators Reed and Hagel, but the news has hardly mentioned them), there was a "ramp freeze." This means if you are on the flight line, and not directly involved with the event in question, you stay where you are and don\'t move. For a combat flight arriving or departing, this takes about ten minutes, and involves the active runway and crossing taxiways only. For Obama\'s flight, this took 90 minutes, during which time a variety of military missions came grinding to a halt. Obviously, this visit was important, right?

    95% of base wanted nothing to do with him. I have met three troops who support him, and literally hundreds who regard him as a buffoon, a charlatan, a hindrance to their mission or a flat out enemy of progress. Even when the rumors were publicly admitted, almost no one left their duty sections to try to see him, unless they were officers whose presence was officially required.

    Mister Obama\'s motorcade drove up from the flight line and entered the dining hall toward the end of lunch time. Diners were chased out and told to make other arrangements for food, in the middle of the duty day.

    Now, there are close to 8000 troops on the base and its nearby satellites. No one came up from the Army side (except perhaps a few ranking officers). The airbase resumed operation, once he cleared the flightline, as if nothing had happened. The dining hall holds about 300 people and was not full. The troops did not want to meet him and the feeling was apparently mutual. In attendance, besides the Official Entourage, were the base\'s senior officers, some support personnel, and a very few carefully vetted supporters who\'d made special arrangements. No photos were allowed. No question and answer with the troops. No real acknowledgment that the troops existed.

    Obama left around 1530, during the Muslim Call to Prayer, so he\'s not a practicing Muslim. He was in a convoy guarded by (so I\'m told) both State Department and Secret Service Personnel.

    Less than three hours…

    Within 48 hours he was in Afghanistan. It takes most troops longer than that to in-process and get cleared on safety, threats, policies and such. Yet he somehow made a strategic summary by not talking to anyone and not seeing anything.

    Twenty-four hours after that, he was in Kuwait, back here, and then home, so fast we didn\'t even know he arrived the second time at this base.

    I can\'t imagine any officer of the few he met told him anything other than what they tell the troops, and what their own leadership at the Pentagon tell them—we\'re winning. Our troops are stomping the guts out of the insurgency. The surge worked and is working. If the insurgents have to divert to Afghanistan, it means they can\'t fight in Iraq anymore. We should not change the rules and retreat with the enemy on the ropes as we did in Vietnam. We should finish kicking their teeth in. The Iraqi government now controls 10 of 18 provinces, with US assistance in the rest. Let us win the war. 90% of the troops I know, even those opposed to the war, say that is the way to win. Victory comes from winning, not from "change." In fact, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is on record as opposing Obama\'s strategic theory.

    Since he obviously knew in advance that\'s what they\'d tell him, and since he didn\'t care to talk to the troops (we\'re told by the Left that the troops are horrified, shocked, forced to commit atrocities with tears in their eyes, distraught, burned out, fed up with losing, etc) and find out how they feel, and was barely in country long enough to need a shower and a change of clothes, we can only call this for what it is.

    A disgraceful PR stunt, using the troops as a platform for his ego and campaign.

    In comparison, I\'ve seen four star generals and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this base. They each held an all ranks call, met with and briefed the personnel, and took questions on every subject from tour length to uniform design to rules of engagement to weapon choice to long term policy, from the newest airmen to the senior NCO with TEN 120-180 day tours since Sep 11. It\'s very clear they want to know what the troops think, and to keep them informed of events. It\'s equally clear mister Obama does not.

    From here we must move to my op part of the oped.

    Obama clearly doesn\'t care about the troops, doesn\'t care about America, doesn\'t care about anything except hearing his own voice and the chance to sit at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…From where he\'ll bring us the proven Democratic wartime leadership of Bosnia and the Balkans (US forces still there), Somalia (US forces prevailed despite being ill equipped by executive order, and taking heavy casualties), Haiti (what were we doing there again?), Desert One (oops?), Vietnam (where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), Korea (still there), WWI, and the fluke success of WWII won by such wonderful liberal notions as concentration camps for Japanese Americans, nukes, FBI investigations of waitresses who dated soldiers in case they were "morally corrupt" and the (valid) occupation of and continued presence in Italy, Japan and Germany for 60 years, which they are conveniently pretending won\'t happen with Iraq.

    That\'s not "change." That\'s "failure we can do without."

Also Obama has no clue about the every day life of a soldier:

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=9577a903-68bd-48dd-8082-006d011eed8a

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+power+of+nightmares&hl=en&sitesearch=video.google.com#