x-box 3 times more powerful?

Originally posted by BizioEE


Have you read...Kojima Stabs the Xbox...?

http://www.ps2web.com/article.asp?id=1427

...I was right..........

:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it. I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree.... How does someone whos seen 1/2 the final hardware, who hasn\'t finished 1 game for it know as much as you and him think he does? The answer: he doesn\'t. These are his assumptions at the current time. Nothing more, nothing less.

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by EThugg


:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it.

I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree....

Don\'t get me wrong Ethugg and excuse me if I was a little "aggressive" with you ...I think X-Box will be a Great Console with Great exclusive titles but I prefer to wait until late 2002 to see what this Console can do...
...as regards Oddworld,I think it\'s not the best example to consider...I mean...they are not so talented in 3D Graphics deparment and I think(only my opinion) they are a "little BS" as for the X-Box!
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Kojima isnt God but we can rely more on his statements than some other members in this forum IMO.Kojima has always been honest with all kinds of consoles(unlike some other developers).

As Kojima said XBOX offers nothing but better graphics.He didnt say XBOX is crap or something.

I agree with Unicron. And Hideo may not be a god, but to put him side by side with the oddworld team is ludicrous. Those whining bastards were *****ing about how hard the PS2 is, when all they have done is two 2D games. Which werent that impressive to begin with. (from a technical POV - I liked the first Abe\'s Oddyssey)




- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

I\'m sorry, but isn\'t everyone saying its about the games? Munch is much more original than MGS2. It\'s a launch title, and looks better than most of PS2\'s announced games, and oozes innovation. I like both games, and again, I don\'t hate Hideo, but he said it was his opinion, plus, like I said, he doesn\'t even have a final kit. If the incomplete kit he has is, in his opinion, capable of graphics better than PS2, think what the final kit can do.

And people need to get off Oddworlds ass. XB is offering exactly what the creative game designers want (like Oddworld), easy development, so they can focus on the artistic side. There\'s nothing wrong with that. Why should Oddworld have to sit there fighting with the technological limits, and use software based special effects, when XB can do it easier, and with its hardware? Hideo gets paid a lot of money to oversee his ideas, Lanning actually programs. I trust him as much as Kojima.

I trust him as much as Kojima.

:rolleyes:

I won\'t even bother with this one...

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by EThugg
I\'m sorry, but isn\'t everyone saying its about the games? Munch is much more original than MGS2. It\'s a launch title, and looks better than most of PS2\'s announced games, and oozes innovation.

 I like both games, and again, I don\'t hate Hideo, but he said it was his opinion, plus, like I said, he doesn\'t even have a final kit. If the incomplete kit he has is, in his opinion, capable of graphics better than PS2, think what the final kit can do.

Hideo think X-Box is capable of slight improvements in Graphics...not that the incomplete Kit is capable of Graphics better than PS2!!!!   OK?

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Originally posted by EThugg


:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it. I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree.... How does someone whos seen 1/2 the final hardware, who hasn\'t finished 1 game for it know as much as you and him think he does? The answer: he doesn\'t. These are his assumptions at the current time. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would trust Kojima even less...

It is well known that the Japanese are an ethnocentric community.  What should we expect their reaction to be? An American console beating out the Japanese greats? Remember, the Japanese have dominated the console market for the last two decades.

They are in fear. And when you fear something, you downplay it. So most Japanese companies are downplaying the Xbox, as if it is just another console (which, by the way, they keep writing off as a no-success in Japan).

But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!

It is just WAITING to happen!

Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow


I would trust Kojima even less...

It is well known that the Japanese are an ethnocentric community.  What should we expect their reaction to be? An American console beating out the Japanese greats? Remember, the Japanese have dominated the console market for the last two decades.

They are in fear. And when you fear something, you downplay it. So most Japanese companies are downplaying the Xbox, as if it is just another console (which, by the way, they keep writing off as a no-success in Japan).

But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!

It is just WAITING to happen!

I think your full of sh*t!


But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!

That wont happen (IMO), which games are we to play???

Xbox will have no chance against mighty Sony and/or Nintendo!

/FAST

Originally posted by BizioEE


Hideo think X-Box is capable of slight improvements in Graphics...not that the incomplete Kit is capable of Graphics better than PS2!!!!   OK?

Its still just his opinion. Sega, EA and the 150+ other developers don\'t have any problems.

And people need to get off Oddworlds ass. XB is offering exactly what the creative game designers want (like Oddworld), easy development, so they can focus on the artistic side. There\'s nothing wrong with that. Why should Oddworld have to sit there fighting with the technological limits, and use software based special effects,

By the time PS2 can do these effects through hardware or software its not a technologial limit.
The problem is that it is harder to crate these effects.
If the PS2 couldnt do spcific effects neither through hardware or software then it would have been considered as having technological limits.

 By the way all consoles have technological limits,

But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!

Umm the Japanese couldn\'t care less how well a console sells elsewhere. The Dreamcast did great here and in Europe and it still managed to die in Japan.

- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

Originally posted by Unicron!

By the time PS2 can do these effects through hardware or software its not a technologial limit.
The problem is that it is harder to crate these effects.
If the PS2 couldnt do spcific effects neither through hardware or software then it would have been considered as having technological limits.

I could be wrong but if the PS2 was able to do shadows in hardware then I doubt that Konami would waste processing power doing it in software. It is not like the PS2\'s GPU is going to one day miraculously be able to do different hardware effects.

Originally posted by datamage


Um that\'s called advertising and letting the public know your product exists. Sega did not hype the Dreamcast up one bit. Do your research. They didn\'t say it was 3x more powerful than this or that,.. or that it would be able to generate cg-type graphics or anything of the sort. Perhaps your definition of hype is different from everyone else\'s. I guess by your definition, Colgate, or Aqua Fresh is hyped cause I see all kinds of commercials from them.

- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

Thank you for interpetting hype. I also thought that was called advertising.

Originally posted by Gohan


I could be wrong but if the PS2 was able to do shadows in hardware then I doubt that Konami would waste processing power doing it in software. It is not like the PS2\'s GPU is going to one day miraculously be able to do different hardware effects.

Yeah but do we know what percentage of the processing power does it waste?
As long as it can do many great effects then its ok atleast with me.
MGS2 and GT3 have so many effects without any performance hit you simply cant imagine what else does it need.
Also....PS2\'s GS is by itself what the NVIDIA 3D Card stands for XBOX.
The difference is that unlike XBOX\'s card in which the effects are ready to use(made to be able to do the effects from day one) in the PS2 you have to set what effects you want it to make.
Its like having an NVIDIA card that has its effects ready and an NVIDIA that you have to ser what kind of effects you want it to do.