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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2001, 06:24:13 AM »
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EA- They just piss me off.  No innovation or originality, but they still think themselves the biggest player in the industry...

Square- they have lost their glamour, and it\'s time to step down.  ALso, let FF die already...

FF die ha, whats going to stop it...
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I never compared the football games Bozco.  You did.  But anyway, EA has it\'s sports games and that\'s about it.  They revamp the engine slightly, call it a new game and sell it.  Where is the innovation and originality?  New games?

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2001, 06:43:25 AM »
OVERRATED:

Rare: When Nintendo consoles had more developers competing on them, Rare was an afterthought. Their games rarely innovate, pun intended. Sometimes they break away from the mold and pull a PD or Conker, but did we really need a sequel to Banjo Kazooie? Could DK64 have been any more boring?

Sega: They do make some great games, but everyone\'s making them out to be worldbeaters now that they\'re third party. They need to make more games with depth, more Shenmues, less arcade.

EA: I only like Madden because GameDay is no longer superior to it.

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989 Studios: People think they are utter crap. They are acutally far worse :mad:
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2001, 06:52:09 AM »
I think Naughty Dog is an under-rated developer...why?

1) - Crash 2 and Crash 3 are really good and original Platforms !  

2) - Crash Team Racing is beautiful and I think it beats Mario Kart overall !

3) - They pushed the PSX hardware to the limits...and it was a privilege of few developers !
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2001, 09:07:54 AM »
Ginko i kinda agree that they should sort of let ff die but i dont knowhow you can say you didn\'t enjoy anything after ff3

I liked 7 and 9 alot. I thought they were done very well

I dont know about 4,5,6 because i havent played them yet
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2001, 09:33:07 AM »
datamage: Preach on, Brother. Treasure is simply on top of the food chain.

Jumpman: I agree that Konami is way overrated. I haven\'t been impressed with anything they\'ve put out post-16 Bit era.

On the whole, I agree with the majority and pick Square and EA as overrated companies who just milk the same franchise every year.

As for underrated, I\'d have to say Treasure.

On a side note, THE MOST OVERRATED COMPANY (not just 3rd Party) has got to be Working Designs. People give them waaaaaaaay too much credit. I can\'t believe there are idiots out there who think they developed games such as Lunar, Ray Storm, and Grandia.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2001, 11:51:49 AM »
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On a side note, THE MOST OVERRATED COMPANY (not just 3rd Party) has got to be Working Designs. People give them waaaaaaaay too much credit. I can\'t believe there are idiots out there who think they developed games such as Lunar, Ray Storm, and Grandia.


lol. I hate that. Working Delays just like to delay their translations and smack a pretty cover on it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2001, 11:54:50 AM »
well after hereing people diss Square - i guess they will go under my Underrated:

Sqaure: They have brought more than just FF - i mean look at:::

Parasite Eve/Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross/Secret Of Mana/Bushido Blade/Vagarant Story/Brave Fencer Musashi  

these are all awesome games and guess what they aren\'t all RPGs either and there are no FF\'s in that list - uh oh not Rpgs maybe Sqaure has talent - come on people - Sqaure has talent - they pushed every system they have been on to the limit and then pushed it up a noch more some how - you gotta give em credit they deserve

Also there are plenty of Developers that cash out on one Franchise too: Naughty Dog(Crash)/Nintendo(PoKemon/Mario)/Rare(Just Platformers and Goldeneye wannabes)...etc.
I have nothing against these developers - they make great games but they follow the sameways - its thw way they make money by cshing out on something that popular - hey boy bands did it the last couple of years:D

Overated -

Well here i have to go with Nintedo: Lately i have saw nothing that impresses me from them - I have no idea when the last time i played my 64  was - or bought a game for that matter
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2001, 12:15:16 PM »
They\'re still going strong so when you said let them die i basically thought you meant they would get beat out

They\'re never just going to die off or they wouldn\'t have made it this far already

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2001, 02:09:51 PM »
Overrated -

EA - buys out many companies, then kills them off (Origin, Looking Glass, etc!) Their gamers have become major crap as of late and I find no joy in playing a great sequel to a great game after EA buys out the company.

Square - Chrono Triggerr is one of the best RPGs of all time. After SNES, it was all vastly downhill. talk about your gigantic nosedives of quality. (I think their partnership with EA is one reason they suck so badly now)

Namco - namco\'s business model goes a little like this:
1)Find really popular arcade game by other company
2)copy idea and glamourize it.
3)Sequelize and crapify to high hell!

Virtua Fighter to Tekken
Silent Scope to Golgo 13
18 Wheeler to some gay trucking game
Virtua Racing (or Daytona) to Ridge Racer

the list goes on for several pages.



Underrated:

Sega - duh, the most masterpieces per square inch and hardly any of them sold over a million, nor over half a million. Talk about shunning a company. Ignorant experienced gamers will see what they have missed and BEG for Sega\'s forgiveness!

GameArts - Lunars, Gungriffons, Grandias, etc! Great developer that gets no respect (maybe cause their games usually come out for Sega systems first!!:))

Treasure - greatest dev. of shooters ever!! Radiant Silvergun, Sin and Punishment, Gunstar Heroes, Bangai-o, etc!!

did I mention Sega yet?

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2001, 02:38:24 PM »
Beasty,

I don\'t think it\'s fair to throw Namco in there. I see why some ppl might think that Square is overrated (even though I think they\'re great) but I would understand. Namco on the other hand;

They were the first to bring more than just \'ports\' to the home. Remember Tekken 2? Soul Edge? Tekken 3? Those games had oodles of extras. While other lazy developers (*SEGA included) just port a game and toss it home, Namco was busy adding extra goodies for us console gamers. I believe they were the first to start this trend, and later other companies got the idea that straight ports were no longer \'in.\' Not to mention Namco is quite capable of pushing a hardware to its limits (@ the time) Perhaps not the most innovative company, but not an overrated one, IMO.

* Before the DC, SEGA was guilty of doing very little to nothing extra for the home gamers. (on their ports) Capcom also suffered from this, as did others.


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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2001, 05:09:53 PM »
Wow, long topic.  Anyways, on with it...

Overrated

Electronic Arts.  By the biggest producer in the world when it comes to quantity, and by far the worst developer in the world when it comes to quality.  Sure, they strike it rich with a game or two here and there, but nothing from them EVER stretches a barrier or makes a new benchmark for the gaming industry.  They are good at stretching their games thin and making billions of ports of one solid titles.

Capcom.  Yah, I\'m an SF fan, but I am INCREDIBALLY sick of all the damn rehashes they do.  Pick one goddamn console and produce great games for it while developing other great games for other consoles.  This "this game is exclusive" crap they spew in early development pisses me off when I see it a year later on another platform.  REC:V had to be the biggest screw job to Sega ever.  I mean, sure, the DC got it first, but Capcom still pissed all over them once the PS2 became a hit.  I\'m almost betting a billion dollars that RE:0 will hit the PS2/X-Box eventually just shortly after the NGC release.

Nintendo.  I really like Nintendo, but my god, they cash in and exploit franchises moreso then Capcom and that\'s definitely pissing on Miyamoto\'s shoes as well.  Miyamoto brings us some games that are definitely genre busters from time to time, but otherwise, what else do we get?  More Mario Karts?  More Smash Bros?  What about another Party game to the already lush, and by lush I mean full of crap, and "done" genre?  I like a lot of their frachises and a lot of their characters, but what I would give for a brand new mascot featured in a few games that touch moreso on the mature audience.

Underated

Treasure.  If I could give Treasure the man-power EA has and mix that with the creativity and concentration on quality in that company, we\'d have about 20 titles every year that would be must haves for every console owner.  Instead, they get shafted and their creativity is never realised thanks to poor sales.  it\'s sad how the good ones are neglected.

Namco.  The RR series and the Tekken series sell very well, but Ace Combat, Klonoa, Soul Calibur, and many other arcade titles of theirs get left in the dust.  I guess brand names sell, but man, those games I mentioned that don\'t sell well are mammot hits.  In fact, all 3 of those titles have recieved scores of no less then 9\'s from IGN\'s reviews and that has to say something about their quality.  Not even the mighty Tekken or RR series can touch or compete with those numbers.

Sony.  Look, I liked Legend of Dragoon, Ape Escape, and their early sports titles before they formed 989 Studios, which was, in my opinion, a BIG mistake.  I can remember the early Gameday when the PSX first came out and how blown away I was.  It was totally awesome and Ape Escape still reminds me that Sony can be innovative as well, even in a title aimed at the younger audiences.  I can\'t wait for Ape Escape 2 and I look forward to Sky Gunner as well.  Lets hope that they can 989 once and for all and bring back that Sony brand name once again.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2001, 06:41:59 PM »
If Nintendo is overrated then why have so many developers copied them? I swear Nintendo is the most copied company is the gaming industry ever.

I shall also remind everyone that Nintendo has more than one internal development team. Besides EAD, Nintendo has HAL and Intelligent Systems. HAL is the crappy developer who puts out these lame Maroi Party and Pokemon games. Most of you are calling them overrated because of them. Intelligent Systems was extremely awesome at one point(making the Metroid games), but then their main man died and they\'ve been on the rebound from that. Right now they\'re back on track( Paper Mario was a turn around for them).

EAD can\'t be overrated since their games are always copied. They revolutionized 2D and 3D gaming. If Super Mario 64 never existed then 3D platformig would suck.

So when you say Nintendo is overrated then keep in mind that Miyamoto and EAD have no part in these Mario Party and Pokemon games.

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wow, after seeing these people saying square are overratede, i have to say that they are underrated (like someone eralier)

i love their early Snes works, but FF7 is easily the best final fantasy in the series, and FF9 competes with FF6.
my fav. games of all time are FF7, Chrono Trigger, FF6, FF9. but they arent just final fantasy, they have made some of the best games ever in other genres. Tobal 2 is critically heralded as one of the best if not the best fighting game ever by many critics, same goes for ehrgeiz, Bushido Blade, their fighters have always been innovative. Take a look at their RPGs, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger/cross, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Secret of Mana etc.. some other games that are great, Einhaner, Final Fantasy Tactics

its all good

Heh...

All the people who own multiple consoles think Square is overrated....

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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2001, 06:45:31 PM »
I think most people have something against Square because right now they are exclusive.
Go to MSXBox, and everyone will say , "Oh, square sucks."
If they find out a Square game is coming to XBox, "Oh, Square rocks."
Its mostly just "sour Grapes" in my opinion.
Nintendo is EXTREMELY overrated.
What was the last game they made that was Completely Revolutionary.
They made Mario 64, and um....
Hmm?
What else?

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2001, 08:55:47 PM »
If Square wasn\'t overrated, why would people take the liberty of buying Bouncer without renting first? OR automatically assume FFX is gonna be god ina  game while still shunning people when they assume a game will be good on another system?

they can put out good graphics, yes. (this is a direct knock)

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2001, 11:17:03 PM »
Are you telling my that Final Fantasy Tactics was a bad game?
How about XenoGears?
I think square has made maybe 4 bad games in the past 4 years, out of a whole lot.
I think thats a good record.
So Bouncer was bad.
8 out of the 9 Final Fantasy\'s were good.
I think that is a good record to make an assumption that the next one will live up to expectations.

 

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