You have to pay to play FF11

EQ is successful with 300k? PSO has surpassed that. Why? You can use your own ISP, and it\'s FREE to play online.

Yup. Considering the issues with online games, 300k is considered succesful. You want to compare the earnings made by EQ vs PSO?

PSO hasn\'t surpassed 500k in sales worldwide. But let\'s take 500k anyway and multiply it by $50.

= $25, 000, 000.

EQ = ~300k

= $15, 000, 000. +

300, 000 users paying $10 for 24months (~2 years)

= $72, 000, 000 (+ the continuing payments)

I can see the clear winner, can you?


(* This isn\'t 100% since PSO hasn\'t reached 500k in sales and EQ didn\'t have 300k subscribers from the start - but you see my point.)

I\'m not trying to fight you on this issue thugg, just think for a second man. I agree with you on the paying part. I hate the idea of playing to pay. Though the concept is not a failure as you can see from the EQ example. I believe FF would easily surpass 300k subcribers.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

dp

Originally posted by datamage


1 - Nope. The majority of PC users are more \'hardcore\' than console users. After all, consoles are much easier to deal with right?

2 - That\'s fine. If FFXI delivers, then people will gladly pay. There\'s far more FF fans than EverQuest and Ultima Online combined.

3 - Wrong. Square is doing it for the PS2 and PC.

1-No they aren\'t.

2-Morons will gladly pay.

3-Ok.

I don\'t feel like arguing about profits, but PSO is better than EQ. And PSO is about to have the highest game to system ratio.

1-No they aren\'t.

I\'d say that most PC USERS aren\'t more hardcore, but most PC gamers that use their PC for something other than solitare are more hardcore.

Anyone willing to spend $300 to upgrade their videocard every six months is more hardcore than any console gamer that complains about having a $10 monthly bill.

but PSO is better than EQ

opinion, nothing more

1-No they aren\'t.

2-Morons will gladly pay.

3-Ok.

I don\'t feel like arguing about profits, but PSO is better than EQ. And PSO is about to have the highest game to system ratio.

1 - Useless debate as we\'ll never know.

2 - Idiots or cheap f\'cks won\'t. (since you think only morons will pay and not ppl that enjoy those type of online games + ff)

3 - .

You keep passing opinions as facts. Howabout if I tell you this... PSO is a piece of dog sh!t compared to EQ. Have you even played EQ? Hmm? I doubt that you have. And if I remember correctly we\'ve had a similar argument before and you mentioned that you haven\'t played EQ. So until you have this argument is a waste of space.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

I f\'cking hate EQ, and you have me defending it.

Originally posted by datamage


1 - Useless debate as we\'ll never know.

2 - Idiots or cheap f\'cks won\'t. (since you think only morons will pay and not ppl that enjoy those type of online games + ff)

3 - .

You keep passing opinions as facts. Howabout if I tell you this... PSO is a piece of dog sh!t compared to EQ. Have you even played EQ? Hmm? I doubt that you have. And if I remember correctly we\'ve had a similar argument before and you mentioned that you haven\'t played EQ. So until you have this argument is a waste of space.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

I f\'cking hate EQ, and you have me defending it.

1-Ok.

2-Yes. I\'m sooo cheap \'cause once I pay for a game, it\'s done, and I shouldn\'t have to pay any more.

3-I don\'t recall saying I havent played EQ before, but I havent. And won\'t. It\'s queer. And so is a company bleeding you after you buy a game. I can judge a game, even if I haven\'t played it. I decided TM:Black is a good game, I haven\'t played it yet, but I think few people here would complain about me praising it.

I\'m not making you defend EQ. Stop anytime you like.

And to everyone else: yes, I\'m a opinionated SOB. If you don\'t like it, tough ****.

You can be opinionated all you like, you just make it easy for people to dismiss your opinions when they are based on nothing substantial -- like your view of games that you haven\'t played.

Your problem is you think all games are the same.   Obviously, persistent world online RPGs are not like other games because they have maintanence costs that many other games do not have in terms of hardware and software teams.  Sorry if you don\'t understand that, but it doesn\'t change the reality of the situation.

Show of hands, how many FF fans were polled by Square to find out if they wanted a persistant online world? Oh yea, no one! I understand they\'re making the game force players to pay extra, despite a online world not being remotely what the FF experience has ever been about. Way to tell the plethora  of FF fans who won\'t buy the HD and play online to **** off Square. This is exactly why I hate Square. While I don\'t like FF. my friends and family do. They represent the mainstream. They think it\'s the stupidest idea they ever heard of, and they said they won\'t bother playing it then. Smart move $quare!

While you may buy into this crap, just like the addons themselves, this will fail to catch on with the mainstream. Squares severly limiting their audience by doing this. I\'ll be hanging out at EB when it comes out and laugh at the people as they return the game after finding out they cant play it without spending $200 on services and addons.

This would be the perfect time to end the conversation.

We can settle this a easy way. I\'ll start a new thread with a poll.

You guys do realize the BIG difference between console gamers and PC gamers correct? Until the two merge together console gamers will always be the more casual of the two.

1. Casual gamers are not likely to sign up for an extra monthly fee in addition to buying a game. They barely buy add-ons, and you guys think they will pay for a game 2 and 3 times over?

Maybe I am not 1337 enough but can someone explain why it would cost more to run FFXI over PSO?

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by EThugg
We can settle this a easy way. I\'ll start a new thread with a poll.

...I don\'t know why...but I think that if FFXI were an X-Box game ...the X-Box fan should have a different opinion.......

Originally posted by Gohan

Maybe I am not 1337 enough but can someone explain why it would cost more to run FFXI over PSO?

It isn\'t. Sega paid for game servers w/o charging us extra. These guys just want to excuse Squares BS. These are the same people who think Sony\'s addons will succeed.


BizioEE- I don\'t know if you count me in that or not, but I would have felt the same way if my FAVORITE company, Sega, did it. It\'s a bad idea.

It isn\'t. Sega paid for game servers w/o charging us extra. These guys just want to excuse Squares BS. These are the same people who think Sony\'s addons will succeed.  

You know thugg, I used to think you had half a brain. With your recent lame comments, I can now confirm that you don\'t.

If you can\'t understand how maintaining a real-online-world costs more money than having static servers, then tough. Stop whining about it. Don\'t play the damn game and stfu already.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

Originally posted by datamage


You know thugg, I used to think you had half a brain. With your recent lame comments, I can now confirm that you don\'t.

If you can\'t understand how maintaining a real-online-world costs more money than having static servers, then tough. Stop whining about it. Don\'t play the damn game and stfu already.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

It doesn\'t cost more money. I\'m not whining, I\'m telling the truth. You stfu.

My poll so far has proved me right in how popular this idea is.