Cya PS2! Hello XBOX!

You can voice your opinion if you want, but you are sounding more and more like the XBox version of Jumpman everyday

What the ****??? You can\'t compare me to Soul Reaver. Especially now since I\'ve never stated my opinion in an offensive way(besides directly insulting people) in a long ****ing time. Explain yourself.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Jumpman

What the ****??? You can\'t compare me to Soul Reaver. Especially now since I\'ve never stated my opinion in an offensive way(besides directly insulting people) in a long ****ing time. Explain yourself.

well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)

and your right, we cant compare you to Soully...hes a much better debater in the ways of consoles  

Originally posted by JediMaster
Also you must take in mind the 3rd Party accessories. That stand probably costs Sony about 25 cents to make, so they make about 10 bucks off of it. But if someone else makes it, they\'re in trouble.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

I SEE YOUR  MOUTH MOVE, BUT I CAN\'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAY.

Jumpman STHU, U R JACKASS

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ok bob....Im going to have to put this out there ESPECIALLY for you buddy.  SCREW YOU.  I have not called anyone names who haven\'t called me names first.  

Im not here to argue with these people for your pure amusement bob...

bob says:
no, you just condemned us for trying to reason with him

what was that all about???  how was that statement of mine you posted "codemening" y\'all?  It wasn\'t.  

Dont call me to come here and then make this a Soul Reaver against as you said "us" situation.  It has never been that.  Your comments to me were totally off base for I was just dong what everyone else in here was doing.....I NEVER "CONDEMNED" YALL FOR doing the same....did you artually read all the post???

And lets just address some of the issues you just brought up.

from bob:

An early adopter of PS2 = someone who associates the Playstation with good gaming. With the PS2 you are guaranteed great games, with great developer support. Early adopter of XBox = Someone who is taking a rik spending money on a console with less than half as many games, nknown franchises, developers etc. People are unsure about it, that is why it is different to be an early adopter of XBox.

This is one of the most rediculous statements Ive heard from you in a long time.  

Why are Early adopters of ps2...(as you kinda are implying)....making a smart purchase cause it "gaurantees"  "great" games, with great developer support?  

There are no garantees dude....you know that.  The fact that ps did so good doesn\'t garantee quality games and abundant devel. support.  for ps2.  weve seen that OVER and OVER with the gaming industry and the trend has not been broken.( SNES and N64...nuff said).  It looks to me that if you going to go by YOUR explaination...then the real risk is in purchasing any console by a company that one the last console war.  That would make the ps2 a risk now wouldnt it.

But you say early adopters of the xbox are taking "risk" with less than half as many games , unknown franchises, and developers support??  WHAT??  

the unknown fanchises remark..untrue...

sega sports is a WELL known franchise and its solely xbox\'s. odd world is a well known franchise too...and its "soley" xbox\'s.  The only console that holds up to the "known" franchises arguement is nintendo.  Ps2 does not come close to upholding that statement.  what are the "known" ps2 franchises??  Twisted Metal, Tekken,and the GT series.  What other quality franshises does PS2 have??  you cant count Metal gear anymore....its not "soley" there\'s.  You cant count anything thats not soley theres .So what are you talking about? Final Fantasy really cant be included either now....there making XI for it...who\'s to say the rest will not follow?

(and remeber people...we are talking about old franchises the public knows about....dont be telling me anything new like devil may cry, or Dax. ect....new games are NOT considered franchises)

lets see...1/2 as many games....humm...

there going to be MORE and better "quality" launch titles available for the xbox\'s launch than the ps2\'s had at launch.  And XBOX is developement is so fast..they are putting games out in one year intervals...quality games at that.

you saw what they did with only FOUR months of developement of "gothem"...and the same goes for "unreal championship".  The ps2\'s flag ship games have taken 2 to 4 years to get out.  GT3 and MGS2 have been LONG in the developement.  Look like your More games arguement is not going to hold up if MS keeps at there current pace.   PS2 was "supposed" to have over 150 games by now according to what sony stated at its launch.  What happened?  

and of that "more" you are talking about....how many are "quality" titles??  you can answer that to me be telling me exactly how many ps2 games you "currently" own.  You\'ve already told me its not many.  In fact most people dont own over three right now.  

And you know and I know that the developement backing is an advantage for both ps2 AND XBOX....so you cant include that in your argument either.  They are backed by between 250-300 developers now.

So...It looks like the xbox is not a risk at all.....ESPECIALLY if you go by your standards.

Well if its the hd thing your mad about i heard that sony was releasing a smaller hadrive around  8-15 g for about $59.99, and i wouldent give up on the ps2 yet, just look whats coming, silent hill 2, twisted metal black and online, metal gear solid 2, tekken4, gt3, ico, jaks and dexter, soul calibur 2, tribes 2, resident evil 4 final fantasy 10-12 and 11 will be on xbox, capcom vs snk2vf4, devil may cry, tenchu 3, thps3, these are just some that will come this year, and dont forget it\'ll go online with twisted metal online, thp3, socum, tribes 2 this year. The xbox looks good right now i know, its hard to over look project ego, and halo but lets talk about halo, it wont go online so well its not meant not to be online. Same goes for thp3. Oddworld graphic wise isnt anything i that couldent be done on the other consoles and i dont think it be good in 3d anyway. project gotham may be good, but i really dont think good enough to push away gt3. If your looking for an online console well sonlys releasing the monitor  keyboard and modem this christmas you know and we all hope they get the smaller and cheaper hardrive out, and jumpman pc online is a whole differ categorie then console online, its not all about 1st person shooters anymore!

there going to be MORE and better "quality" launch titles available for the xbox\'s launch than the ps2\'s had at launch. And XBOX is developement is so fast..they are putting games out in one year intervals...quality games at that.

I love it when ppl try to pass off an opinion as a fact.

To you, the Xbox might have a higher quality launch. Others might have loved the games @ PS2\'s launch. I do think the games @ PS2\'s launch were mediocre (cept for a few). Just don\'t assume the X-box\'s launch is stellar when you have not played a single game.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

[Living-In-Clip]

I\'m goin on the same note as Data\'s last post. Soul, you assume the PS2 launch titles was crap. Alot of people enjoyed them. I personally did not, even though I bought 6 of them. But you want to pass off the Xbox games as excellent, when you haven\'t even played them. And even when you do, you cannot tell me they are great, for the simple fact everyone has varied taste. I see nothing at the Xbox launch that interests me, so I\'m waiting for the Sega games to come out.

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware


well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)

Actually, I\'ve never done that in a while now. I\'ve realized that people stop taking me seriously in arguments when I insult them. I could be ahnilating the the argument and they still wouldn\'t take me seriously. I\'ve learned from my past mistakes.

and your right, we cant compare you to Soully...hes a much better debater in the ways of consoles  

We\'ll see about that...

[Living-In-Clip]

I\'ve debated with ole\' Jumpy quite a few times and never got called a name (I don\'t think? ). I enjoy debating with him, just because I\'ve never seen someone who defends the N64 with all their might. For 14 (?) he can put up a good debate when it comes to Nintendo related things.

Maybe I\'m in the miniorty but I like ole\' Jumpy (heh, damn I love calling him that.)

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
well, basically...when you argue with people...you call them names...much like Soul Reaver has been doing (on a much smaller scale)

There are people that are worse with name calling while debating. And what about that "be in bed by 11:00" attitude everyone gives him cuz hes 14? Jumpman may call people names but not nearly as much as half the people here.

"Just don\'t assume the X-box\'s launch is stellar when you have not played a single game.
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Argh!  I hate statements like this.  At the same token, I don\'t think you(dataimage) have the right to assume it is not stellar.  Have you played the game?  Can you attest to us that it is not a spectacular, phenomenal product?  So exactly, who\'s speculation is more right or wrong?  Unless if he is writing a comprehensive review, I think he has every right to exude his enthusiasm and exuberance over an unfinished product.  I don\'t think it is far fetch to assume a game like Jet Grind Radio Future, with Smilebit working on it, will be anything less than a stellar title.  In fact, taking a look at the current lineup and the progress they are making it with each game, it would actually be more assinine than less to arrogate it won\'t be a anything but a great launch.  

BTW.  This is a discussion forum.  Not everything in here is in line with fact.  Everyone is entitle to present their views on what they think just as long as it opens a means for discussion.  I hate the whole "how can the game be any good if you haven\'t played it" rhetoric because it takes away such a great basis and grounds for a discussion.  Videogames is a driving force for forums like this and if we are merely restricted to only discuss about games that do exist and one that we can play, then this will be one very dull and boring place.  The best discussions are the visionary ones.  Just my thoughts..........

well its nice to see that jumpman has changed. i kinda like the guy.

and most of this arguement is about opinion. people will buy the gamecube because they likethe games coming out for it

or they will buy the ps2 because they like the games out for it,

EXC...

like datamage said, it is mostly opinion, i wouldnt jump on VIVI\'s back and tell him he shouldnt dump the ps2.(although i would never do such a thing)

its his opinion. he left it open for people to talk to him about it.

Argh! I hate statements like this. At the same token, I don\'t think you(datamage) have the right to assume it is not stellar. Have you played the game? Can you attest to us that it is not a spectacular, phenomenal product?

Read my earlier post.

Read it again. Read it as many times as you need to.

Then tell me where exactly did I state that X-box\'s launch was not stellar. I never said it was or it wasn\'t. For I will not know till I play the games.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

For I will not know till I play the games. [/b]

The whole problem I had with your statement was you were deflecting all grounds of speculation.  It seems like the only way we can discuss about a given product is if it is 100% finished and in our hands.  This closes all means of any discourse for all future, unfinished products.  It is along the same lines of me not being allowed to gloat over DOA3 just because "I haven\'t played it".  Like I said earlier and I will reiterate, unless if I am writing some sort of review then I think it is ok to speculate over any given product in a positive manner.  For example:  MGS2.  It is a sequel to a prior game I love and the same developers are on board.  It is just an accurate assessment to say a game like this would be a "stellar title" given the progress it is making and Hideo Kojima is at the helm.  It is actually more right than wrong to assume that.  Besides, this is a discussion forum, and everyone of us should have the right to speculate on any given product without having someone come in and shoot us down just because we haven\'t played it yet.  Instead of saying "you haven\'t played the game" why don\'t you present your own views on why you don\'t think it would be a stellar title instead of dismissing the basis of a discussion altogether.  Catch my drift?