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Offline videoholic

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« Reply #120 on: February 14, 2002, 07:05:14 PM »
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I think we own a bible.


I\'ve stolen a few out of hotel rooms.
I wear a necklace now because I like to know when I\'m upside down.
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« Reply #121 on: February 14, 2002, 07:06:19 PM »
Whoa. Totally. *plays air guitar*

Now ya see, we should be talking about Bill and Ted, and not this confusing evangilist darwinism evolution of the christians...oh ****, I don\'t have the slightest damn clue anymore. This topic is starting to make my head hurt, and it really needs to go away.

What is comes down to is beliefs. No one\'s belief is right or wrong in the eyes of others, it\'s just that, their belief. If you\'re going to argue over someone\'s belief over another one\'s belief, you\'re going to have one heck of a time arguing about it. The debate is endless, and there is no right or wrong answer. Debating over it is just going to make someone offended, sad, or just downright pissed off, so before someone tries to cut someone else\'s throat over this, how about we like, ya know, leave it be.

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« Reply #122 on: February 14, 2002, 07:06:42 PM »
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Originally posted by Videoholic


I\'ve stolen a few out of hotel rooms.


always a good way to get in the lord\'s good books

UGH!  THAT WAS AN ACCIDENTAL PUN!!  ****!  DAMMIT!  DONT HATE ME!

i was going to make a joke, but that accidental one just ruined everything..

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« Reply #123 on: February 14, 2002, 07:07:28 PM »
Hehehee, peoples, I am not that obsessed with Mariah Carey! Gosh, your making me sound like a horny moron :rolleyes:

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« Reply #124 on: February 14, 2002, 07:09:02 PM »
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The debate is endless, and there is no right or wrong answer.  



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everyone is right...... except racer.
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« Reply #125 on: February 14, 2002, 07:10:57 PM »
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Races didnt become until the Tower of Baybal.

Its all IN THE BIBLE. If you pick it up, sit down for acouple of hours and read it, then your questions will be answered.

There was Noah, his wife and his 8 children or something, along with their husbands and wifes.



So the Bible is fact:rolleyes: , just because its on paper doesn\'t mean its right ( boz writes the world is 4.6 billion years old on paper ) - haha it must be a fact then.

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« Reply #126 on: February 14, 2002, 07:10:58 PM »
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Hehehee, peoples, I am not that obsessed with Mariah Carey! Gosh, your making me sound like a horny moron :rolleyes:


your not fooling anyone orgasmo *gets a steaming hot facial* OH SWEET JESUS IT BURNS!!  AARRRGH, SO SALTY AND..........*gone too far*

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« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2002, 07:11:13 PM »
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WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everyone is right...... except racer.


Here, here [or whatever they say..]
\"Behold, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed\"
-Axel Oxenstierna 1648

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« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2002, 07:11:18 PM »
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WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everyone is right...... except racer.


You just hate me.


I think I am the most hated person on these forums.

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« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2002, 07:13:35 PM »
Haha, yeah yeah, except Racer. He\'s not included in what I said...yeahhh. (Mariah Carey? Haha! ;-) )

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They\'re the pieces to the next great pitching rotation of our time, what else?

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« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2002, 07:15:30 PM »
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ok all i want to know is what gives him the right to create people - no one should be given the power of god - not even himself - how can i get my say - i was created with feelings by him so why cant i have feelings on whether i want to live at all - and then if i were to decide i didnt want to live what can i do about it - sure i could kill myself and be punished an enternity in hell - but that isnt much of a choice is it

you know what else that sounds like - sounds like slavery to me - do what i say or ill break your ankle kind of deal - you live here because im your master and i put you there

yeap defintely sounds like slavery - i think ill pass - no one owns me but me


hmmm... you\'d better sit back and have another think about what you wrote...

you are seeing all these with a selfish perspective (the slavery thing). don\'t go off at me, but questioning/doubting God is an act of selfishness...



for fastson:

flooding would be roughly around 4000 to 5000 years ago.
there was 4 men and 4 women. noah and 3 sons, with their wifes.

no, they\'re not jews. there wasn\'t any distinction of races then.

races did not evolve. there\'s an incident in the bible after the flood where the human population have gone evil again, and tried to build a tower that would reach the skies, so show their \'greatness\'. God didn\'t like it, so He changed the language and appearance of them, so that they cannot communicate with each other (cannot finish the tower), and hence the different races.



ok, this really is the last post for me... can\'t keep up...
Eugh?!?

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« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2002, 07:20:51 PM »
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for fastson:

flooding would be roughly around 4000 to 5000 years ago.
there was 4 men and 4 women. noah and 3 sons, with their wifes.

no, they\'re not jews. there wasn\'t any distinction of races then.

races did not evolve. there\'s an incident in the bible after the flood where the human population have gone evil again, and tried to build a tower that would reach the skies, so show their \'greatness\'. God didn\'t like it, so He changed the language and appearance of them, so that they cannot communicate with each other (cannot finish the tower), and hence the different races.


That sounds really believable.
Just like the Viking sagas..

Bet.. What makes the Christian belief more true than the Nordic mythology? :nerd:
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« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2002, 07:21:14 PM »
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You just hate me.


I think I am the most hated person on these forums.



Hmm I wonder why your not liked, first its you wrestling nude with men, then your non stop love for mariah, and now your radical ideas:rolleyes:

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« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2002, 07:25:43 PM »
no, its because he cant take a joke and has no sense of humour

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« Reply #134 on: February 14, 2002, 07:27:51 PM »
About the mathematic impossibilities of evolution:
There are a few flaws in your reasoning.  First of all, how can you calculate the number of mutations such a process would take?  The very fact that you said it would take more than a 100 billion years makes me doubt these numbers are accurate, simply because to get such a number, someone would have had to calculate the number of mutations it would take to go from single cell organism to animal.  That would be 3,153,600,000,000,000,000 mutations.  First of all, who could have accurately calculate such a number.  I mean, even just 1% error throws your mathematical evidence off a billion years.  It is impossible to calculate such numbers with any accuracy.

Secondly, what constitutes a mutation?  If it is the change of one piece of genetic information, that\'s inaccurate as well.  When a mutation happens, it doesn\'t happen slowly.  It happens suddenly, and takes a long time to become dominant due to natural selection.  A mutation can change a lot of genetic information, relatively quickly.

Want an example?  A really basic one is looking at the average human.  The average human right now is taller than a few hundred years ago.  This is a slight change in our nature, a slight mutation if you will.  One mainly due to improved conditions in cities, and improved diets.  Now, if the average height of humans can change noticeably in a few 100 years, an incredibly small amount of time compared to 4 billion years, a lot can happen a lot quicker than you are saying.

As for thermodynamics, I don\'t know too much in detail about it, but I can say that your reasoning here is useless as well.  Why does the idea that the convertion of energy from one form to another make the creation of galaxies from an explosion impossible?  I mean, not all the energy from the explosion necessarily has to be used in the creation of these galaxies.  We don\'t have specific numbers, it\'s just theoretical.  There is no way you can prove that even with the loss of energy, there wasn\'t enough remaining to create galaxies.

As for your mouse trap thing, that doesn\'t work either, simply because in a mutation, more than one simple piece of genetic information is changed.  Mutations aren\'t as slow as you are implying.  They are rather rapid things, it is natural selection that takes time.

As for schools, the information is not really out of date at all.  If evolution were not scientifically sound, it would not be the most widely accepted theory.  If you ask me, creationism is the thing that is inaccurate, and outdated.  And I also believe religion should definitely stay out of schools.  Yeah.

A bit of a disclaimer to finish this post with.  I don\'t know any of this subject matter extensively.  The fact is, we are all arguing against opposing theories created by people who are likely much much smarter and more knowledgable than anyone here.  So...yeah.
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