Something I pondered...

SWEET!

Someone else from Nebraska, not bad at all....though I didn\'t care to read all of that topic, I gave up on this topic a LONG time ago, like at Page 5...just not worth it anymore

See Yuz.

Yea..I got a scripture quote too
Ezekiel 25:17
                                   The path of a righteous man is beset on all sides, by the inequities
                              of the selfish , and the tyranny of evil men. blessed are those who in the
                              name of charity and goodwill , shepherd the weak through the walley of
                              darkness , for he is truly his brothers keeper and finder of lost children.
                               and i will strike down upon thee whit great vengeance and furies anger
                                those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will
                                 know my name is the Lord , when i lay my vengeance upon thee.

Let me tell ya Altered, I never tire of your relentless bashing of different translations of the Bible.  To be so closed minded as to not even accept the same sciptures, and then to also accuse mischevious acts of the translators without proof.

I quote the book of Fastionos!

Fastson 18:89
"You shall not believe in any religion! The evil priests of “god” are evil and try to steal your money so they can buy fancy cars and expensive “call girls”!
Don’t praise the lord!!"

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Seriously, though, whenever Mormons show up, the topics always die out. I guess my explanation for that would be that our religion does not continually contradict itself, history, or science.

Yet people all over the internet right now, and people ever since the late 1820s when our church was reestablished on the earth still try to prove that the Book of Mormon is false, and try to prove it was actually written by Joseph Smith instead of translated by Joseph Smith.  I was actually surprised at how many sites that are out there and how many books have been written that claim they have proof that the BOM is false.  Their complaints about the falseness of the BOM range from "Joseph Smith took and altered the names from the Bible to make up the 175+ names in the Book of Mormon" (check out this page where it goes through every name and possible names that Joseph could have got them from), to "Joseph Smith plagiarized the Bible as well as other books written at the time to make the Book of Mormon."

Of course all of these attacks have been refuted by people who believe in the Book of Mormon.  And as time goes on and more things are discovered in this world, the evidence of the Book of Mormon being true increases.  For example:

The Book of Mormon introduces roughly 200 new names not found in the Bible. Many of these have been found to have genuine Semitic parallels in ancient times. Take, for example, the name Alma. Alma was the name of two male prophets in the Book of Mormon (a father and a son). This name has been one of the most commonly attacked features of the Book of Mormon, for Alma is a female Latin name. Critics have assumed that Joseph simply borrowed Alma from the term "alma mater," ignorant of its gender. The Tanner\'s suggest that Joseph borrowed it from the name Shalmaneser in the Old Testament. As usual, they overlook an important fact that has been discussed in LDS writings for decades. In 1961, a prominent scholar in Israel, Professor Yigael Yadin, discovered an ancient document that proved to be a land deed from the time of the Bar Kokhba rebellion in Palestine, placing it in the general era of Lehi and Nephi. Prof. Yadin translated one of the names as "Alma the son of Judah."(See Bar Kokhba by Yigael Yadin, Random House, New York, 1971, p. 176; and Nibley, The Prophetic Book of Mormon, pp. 281-82.) Alma proves to not only be a genuine Semitic name, but is a name of a Hebraic man. Finding the male name Alma in a record about descendants of 6th century B.C. Hebrews now must be viewed not as a reason for mocking the Book of Mormon, but as a reason to take it seriously, in spite of the Tanners and other professional critics.

Here is a great site for those interested that responds to a lot of attacks on the Book of Mormon (this is where that quote was taken from), and as Bjorn wanted, evidence that we have today that shows that the Book of Mormon is true: (very interesting read) http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml

And here is a FAQ that have responces to a lot of the things the Book of Mormon is attacked for: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMProblems.shtml

What? Book of Morons?

Wow.. Where can I find it?
*looks up: Bobs_Hardware*
Extremely rare moron. He is believed to live out on a desert island trying to convert people into the religion he calls "Morons". He is addicted to male genitals, some people believe that he eat them.

ugh..
Not my type of book.

Originally posted by Troglodyte
Let me tell ya Altered, I never tire of your relentless bashing of different translations of the Bible.  To be so closed minded as to not even accept the same sciptures, and then to also accuse mischevious acts of the translators without proof.

It isn\'t closed mindedness at all.  We know what we have without a shadow of a doubt.  We know who we are, where we came from, and where we are going next.  We can (for the most part) see the "whole picture."  To us, all other religions are in the dark and are lacking many key elements to salvation (I\'m sorry if I\'m sounding harsh.  Just remember that this is what I believe, and you don\'t have to believe any of it).  Believing in the falsely translated Bibles is something that I will not do (I\'ll let Altered speak for himself on that one, but I\'m sure he\'ll say the same thing), because I already know the full truth, and part of that truth is the knowledge that those bibles are not completely true.

well....

I think that in due time science will come up with enough edvidence that will make religion obsolete. (For my part there is already enough scientific edvidence so that to belive in any god/religion seem very ignorant and unlogic to me).

I don\'t blame children that are being brainwashed with this crap cause children don\'t demand proof or edvidence of what their elders teach them. I can just hope that when they grow up and get educated they will realise it\'s all just stories created by man, in lack of two thousand years of knowledge.

They will then realise that praying doesn\'t make any difference only action does.

At that time one idiotic religious guy can\'t get thousand of others religious idiots to commit murder/suicide/fly an airplane into a building etc.

At that time they won\'t be able to blame "satan" for something they did, only themselves and must then face the consequences.

At that time they won\'t be able to use religion to start/support wars and other conflicts.

Of course I don\'t say that all religious people are "bad", far from it since most are good.
But you should be able to feel compassion and help other less fortunate people without religious goals, thinking it will help your way to "heaven".

I\'ll probably get flamed for this post. Hopefully not as severe as the people who once said the world was round, not flat and that the earth not was the center of this solar system.

barely 300 years ago, they thought the earth was flat and that you would sail right off the edge

humans were so stupid
us primates knew better

Originally posted by IronFist
Believing in the falsely translated Bibles is something that I will not do (I\'ll let Altered speak for himself on that one, but I\'m sure he\'ll say the same thing), because I already know the full truth, and part of that truth is the knowledge that those bibles are not completely true.

How can you be so certain that the KJV is such a perfect translation?  How come you can\'t comprehend that as time progresses, scholars find errors in previous translations, and newer translations may, in fact, be more accurate.  The messages are unchanged from the KJV, but as the English language changes translations need to be updated so that a better understanding can come to those who read it.  I own a KJV, NIV, and Living Version Bibles, when I study, I reference verses from each book.  I\'ve yet to come across a verse that is in one Bible that is not in another.  The only changes are in the language in which we speak.  Believing that the KJV is superior to any other versison is just like believing that the English KJV is superior to the Spanish KJV.

UPDATE: as soon as I posted this I came also to this thoght:

The Bibles are the same in message.

Different denominations have different "standard" translations, to make worship more practical.

The denominations interpret the verses differently.

So it\'s not that the different versions say different thingd, but that the dominant denominations of each version translate the message differently.

Originally posted by Troglodyte
How can you be so certain that the KJV is such a perfect translation?  How come you can\'t comprehend that as time progresses, scholars find errors in previous translations, and newer translations may, in fact, be more accurate.

I am not saying that the regular KJV version of the Bible is perfect.  I\'m saying that the Mormon KJV is.  It has been retranslated by Joseph Smith back in the 1830s through the power of God and the big translation errors were fixed.  That is why the Mormon KJV is the only Bible that says there are three degrees of heaven, not just Heaven and Hell like all other Bibles believe.  The other versions of the bible may be almost identical to each other, but all of them are lacking important key elements that had been lost in translation throughout the centuries.

The messages are unchanged from the KJV, but as the English language changes translations need to be updated so that a better understanding can come to those who read it.

I personally don\'t believe that our language will change enough to warrant a retranslation of some words before Christ comes again.  So worrying about "what about in 100 years when our language is slightly different" is a worthless thing to worry about.

Originally posted by IronFist

I personally don\'t believe that our language will change enough to warrant a retranslation of some words before Christ comes again.  So worrying about "what about in 100 years when our language is slightly different" is a worthless thing to worry about.

Modern English has changed quite signifigantly.  Two ways of indicitive changes can be found in simply the numbers of editions of Webster\'s dictionary, and even comparing the general language used in an 80\'s tv program to its equialent today.

[videoholic]

Originally posted by IronFist

I personally don\'t believe that our language will change enough to warrant a retranslation of some words before Christ comes again.  So worrying about "what about in 100 years when our language is slightly different" is a worthless thing to worry about.

So Christ is coming back?  Where do you think he will visit first?  And could you imagine the wars and the chaos if Christ really came back.

Originally posted by Videoholic


So Christ is coming back?  Where do you think he will visit first?  And could you imagine the wars and the chaos if Christ really came back.

Have you seen the movie "Left Behind?"  It\'s kinda crappy, but it gets the general idea about what Christianity preaches what will happen when Christ returns.

Originally posted by Clyde
barely 300 years ago, they thought the earth was flat and that you would sail right off the edge

humans were so stupid
us primates knew better

Yeah Ye olde Trrowing poop around is much more better.





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