Something I pondered...

Originally posted by Bjorn
well....

I think that in due time science will come up with enough edvidence that will make religion obsolete. (For my part there is already enough scientific edvidence so that to belive in any god/religion seem very ignorant and unlogic to me).

I don\'t blame children that are being brainwashed with this crap cause children don\'t demand proof or edvidence of what their elders teach them. I can just hope that when they grow up and get educated they will realise it\'s all just stories created by man, in lack of two thousand years of knowledge.

They will then realise that praying doesn\'t make any difference only action does.

At that time one idiotic religious guy can\'t get thousand of others religious idiots to commit murder/suicide/fly an airplane into a building etc.

At that time they won\'t be able to blame "satan" for something they did, only themselves and must then face the consequences.

At that time they won\'t be able to use religion to start/support wars and other conflicts.

Of course I don\'t say that all religious people are "bad", far from it since most are good.
But you should be able to feel compassion and help other less fortunate people without religious goals, thinking it will help your way to "heaven".

I\'ll probably get flamed for this post. Hopefully not as severe as the people who once said the world was round, not flat and that the earth not was the center of this solar system.

thats the most intelligent thing I\'ve heard in this thread.

Religion teaches some valuable lessons, and I see the good in that that, but so much bad has come because of it. People who are basically the same religion fight over who\'s translation of the holy book is more correct ie. in northern ireland where the catholics and protestants have been fighting for years. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God anyway.

What makes any of you think your religion is the right one? If you had been born in a different family or country, would you still be the same religion. If there was really a God, he would do something to stop all the confusion and war, and put an end to this crap. He hasn\'t, and therefore he doesn\'t exist.

Oh dear GOD will this Thread ever end ?
i predict by the end of next week there will be no room for the other Forums , never mind other threads

Originally posted by Videoholic
So Christ is coming back?  Where do you think he will visit first?  And could you imagine the wars and the chaos if Christ really came back.

He will first come down to Israel (is that the right place?  AlteredBeast? Troglodyte?  Well, it\'s somewhere over in that area )  It will happen after a huge war, bigger than any other war in the history of our world.  Billions of people will die.  It will take (if I recall correctly) 6 years to clean up the bodies.  I personally think that it will be when the billion Muslums come down into that area to try to put an end to that war over the land, but I could be completely wrong about that.

Troglodyte,

Modern English has changed quite signifigantly. Two ways of indicitive changes can be found in simply the numbers of editions of Webster\'s dictionary, and even comparing the general language used in an 80\'s tv program to its equialent today.

Even though a lot of the words from the 80s and 70s aren\'t used any more, quite a few of them are still widely know.  And for the words that are not known anymore, that\'s what a dictionary is for.  So if there ever is a questionable word that you can\'t understand in the Bible, just look it up.  This hasn\'t happened to me yet though, so I think the Mormon KJV (with the Joseph Smith translation on some of the words) is still very understandable even today (except for some of the metaphorical areas, like Revelations.  Even with the Joseph Smith Translation, some of that is still too deep for me.  )

Hmmm i have done some reserch and found that this is NOT the longest thread in OT

it is (well for the now anyhoo)

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Originally posted by ooseven
Hmmm i have done some reserch and found that this is NOT the longest thread in OT

it is (well for the now anyhoo)

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and 2348 Views

Spammer!

Vid has already pointed that out!

I basically agree with what Bjorn said.  My view is that religion is little more than superstition that people use to explain what they don\'t want to accept, such as what happens after death, and why there is evil in the world.

And if you want a long topic, back at the n64cc forums, we got one to like over 30 pages.  That was in the days when there were few regular posters left too.  The topic: Word Association.

Originally posted by shockwaves
I basically agree with what Bjorn said.  My view is that religion is little more than superstition that people use to explain what they don\'t want to accept, such as what happens after death, and why there is evil in the world.

Not necesarrily what they don\'t want to accept, but what they can\'t explain.

Science and Religion both try to offer explinations about the world around us.  Religion relies on faith, something that science puts to little use.  Science is limited by the instuments it uses (i.e. technology).  As time progresses, scince can offer explinations for more about the world around us.  Scientific thought has drowned out the Greeks belief that Zeus causes lightning, etc.  In time, science will be able to explain more, but to most people, faith creates an ease of order in the chaos that science is trying to piece together.  At this point science can\'t explain the requirement for some form of eternal entity to keep the cycle of the univers going.  Someday science might actually prove and existance for God.  Humans are known to be stubborn when science tries to disprove faith.  Time will produce true answers to our questions, until then, I rely on my faith.

My personal opinion is that people who place so much faith into X religion are weak willed individuals who need some type of *crutch* to get through life.

Like after sept.11th., All I would here is "In god we trust" , well, sorry to say but, trust in god..any god..isnt going to eliminate terrorist threats. My trust is in what I see with my own eyes, do with my own hands, and hear with my own ears. That is all the proof I need for anything.

well said luckee, i hate those people that go though life, never trying to achieve anything because if God wanted them to be succesfull, then God will provide them with that success.  Instead of going out and busting ass, they just sit around waiting for it to be handed to them, and if they don\'t get is, then it\'s because God didn\'t want them to be successful, or whatever the desired thing is.

Originally posted by Troglodyte
Not necesarrily what they don\'t want to accept, but what they can\'t explain.

I thought about wording it that way.  Perhaps it is a little of each.  It is taking what you can\'t explain, and putting a twist on it that seems to give you more hope and purpose.

Originally posted by shockwaves

I thought about wording it that way.  Perhaps it is a little of each.  It is taking what you can\'t explain, and putting a twist on it that seems to give you more hope and purpose.

Ok, but why not create your own hope and purpose instead of what the *church* tells you your purpose should be.

I think people should.  I was just saying what religion seems to be to me, not that I agree with it...or something like that.

Originally posted by shockwaves
I think people should.  I was just saying what religion seems to be to me, not that I agree with it...or something like that.

Oh, ok..I\'ve lost track of the *churchies* and the *no-faiths* in this thread

Bjorn:

I think that in due time science will come up with enough edvidence that will make religion obsolete.

I think it will do just the opposite.  As more things are discovered, things will point more and more towards there being a god.  We won\'t know for sure which way science goes (towards or away form religion) until it actually happens though.

(For my part there is already enough scientific edvidence so that to belive in any god/religion seem very ignorant and unlogic to me).

It isn\'t wise to point the "ignorant stick" when you yourself haven\'t even read the bible.  How can one say that that science has disproved something, when they don\'t even know what that "something" is?

But anyways, if you don\'t mind would you tell us why believing in God or religion is ignorant?  What do you know scientifically that makes religion so false in your mind?  (This ought to get the thread rolling )

They will then realise that praying doesn\'t make any difference only action does.

The LDS church believes strongly in not being idle.  We also believe that we should have a prayer in our heart always.  Prayer can do some powerful things that actions alone could never do.  As long as we are trying our best, and we have a prayer in our hearts, God will help us to reach our goals.  Prayer can heal, comfort, and help in more ways than I could list, but it is worthless without actions.

such ignorance in this thread. All we are taught in school is science, the idea of creationism isn\'t even allowed anymore. We have the FAITH to believe in something that we have been taught otherwise our whole lives and you guys call US ignorant?

All I ask is to read the Book of Mormon, start to finish with an open mind. I have learned the science point of view my whole life, now I am challenging you.

Good Luck.


Eric Jacob