Something I pondered...

[Titan]

Originally posted by Troglodyte


Um, don\'t you mean "fault line?"

Same thing

I did not read every reply in this thread.. But everyone should read Bossiemans reply.

The best Ive read in this debate.. I agree 100% with it.

Originally posted by fastson
I did not read every reply in this thread.. But everyone should read Bossiemans reply.

The best Ive read in this debate.. I agree 100% with it.

And if Bossieman jumped off a bridge. . .

Originally posted by Troglodyte


And if Bossieman jumped off a bridge. . .

it would´t be because of his religion.

Originally posted by Bossieman


it would´t be because of his religion.

Touché.

PSX2Central: Home of Generalizations.

I think I have finally gotten Bossieman. He is completely right in many respects. But he only uses generalizations from things that happened either hundreds of years ago, or with radicals today.

"Can we blaim religion for what happened with the WTC?
Can we blaim religion for women in Africa having their clitoris cut away?
Can we blaim religion for people blowing up their self in crowded areas so a lot of people die?
Can we blaim religon for people dying because their religion says that they can´t use certain medicines?
Can we blaim Religion for sciencepeople being killed for their belives and theories?
Can we blaim relgion for the death of thousends of Afhanistan women and children? "

no. We can blame mentally ill people being manipulated by extremists. No religion on Earth teaches hatred and violence against others. You make it seem like all religions teach these things you talk about in your post.

My religion has never told me to blow up people, not take medicine, killed people for believing something, nor done anything radical...ever. In fact, my religion and it\'s people have been the victim by many people of other beliefs (science being of them.)

You can generalize all you want, but none of that is true about my church. It is sad to see people agreeing with you because they have gone down the same misguided path. You can say the Catholic church set Science back 300 years (which it did) but that is THEIR problem, not every other sect on the planet. You make it seem like all religions can be attributed the WTC, deaths, wars, etc. Well name one thing the LDS church has done wrong to people. Please...tell me.

We are led by God through the Prophet of our church to do what is right, we have the fullness of the gospel and would never do that.

Ignorance is great and all that, but you should never generalize to make a point when most of your opinion is grossly incorrect.

Try rereading Bossieman\'s post and tell me how \'100% Correct" it sounds.


Eric Jacob

Hey Altered, and IronFist, what\'s your take on "Redcliffs."  The Mormon reform camp.  I want to see what you have to say before I tell you of my friends hand-on account from her brother.

never heard of it. do tell.

BTW, your old sig was funny, why the change?


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
never heard of it. do tell.

BTW, your old sig was funny, why the change?


Eric Jacob

Change is good for the soul.  Memories last a lifetime.

I\'ll wait for IronFist to comment, \'cause if y\'all don\'t know of it, y\'all will probably deny its existence when I tell my story.

Religion does cause war. Religion is on of the mian reasons for war. The Christian Crusades, great example. An example closer to the present would the Palestine/Isreal conflict. Religion is even the underlying reason for the Afganistan conflict. The Muslims even have a word which means holy war. There can be no good war, no right war. Religious people start wars, because they beleive enough in their religion to die for it. But surely someone must be wrong. What makes anyone think that out of the hundreds of religions, that theirs is right. It\'s called brain-washing.

I don\'t care what hyped up religious denomination anyone beleives in. I don\'t care whether someone is Mormon, Jew, Hindu or Buddhist, Catholic or Church of England, all the religions are false. Some of them teach some worthwhile messages, but they teach them through stories which aren\'t true.

I can say without hesistation that I feel more free without the strain of religion. When I was younger I was CofE, and I always felt the need to be doing things to please God, trying to live as someone I was not. As I got older (about 12) I just looked at the facts and realised there was no such person as God.

A person is responsible for their own actions and must face the consequences. There is no higher power that governs everything, and there is no life after this. I hate the concept, but know it to be true.

Redcliffs?  Nope, never heard of it.  Is it something like the Reformed LDS church, or is it something completely different? (incase you don\'t know, the RLDS church is a branch off of the LDS church.  The person who started it didn\'t believe in some of the things the LDS churched believed in, so he added and changed some things.)

Originally posted by Disc 2
Religion does cause war. Religion is on of the mian reasons for war. The Christian Crusades, great example. An example closer to the present would the Palestine/Isreal conflict. Religion is even the underlying reason for the Afganistan conflict. The Muslims even have a word which means holy war. There can be no good war, no right war. Religious people start wars, because they beleive enough in their religion to die for it. But surely someone must be wrong. What makes anyone think that out of the hundreds of religions, that theirs is right. It\'s called brain-washing.

I don\'t care what hyped up religious denomination anyone beleives in. I don\'t care whether someone is Mormon, Jew, Hindu or Buddhist, Catholic or Church of England, all the religions are false. Some of them teach some worthwhile messages, but they teach them through stories which aren\'t true.

I can say without hesistation that I feel more free without the strain of religion. When I was younger I was CofE, and I always felt the need to be doing things to please God, trying to live as someone I was not. As I got older (about 12) I just looked at the facts and realised there was no such person as God.

A person is responsible for their own actions and must face the consequences. There is no higher power that governs everything, and there is no life after this. I hate the concept, but know it to be true.

It doesn´t matter what we say!!! They always find ways around the problem.- No !!!religion doesn´t cause war, evil man does!! a.s.o
Some people just cant understand and they don´t want to belive and understand that religion makes war. They will never change there mind!!!

Bossieman, you are being ignorant of what I JUST said.

MY religion has never caused a war. I know plenty of others that haven\'t either. You can\'t say religion starts wars because that is grossly ignorant of the true facts.

I know plenty of people in the pst that have died for their own special religion; science. Ever believe in something so much you would die for it? That is the way we feel about our religion. We are so secure in the knowledge that our church is the one and true church of God on the Earth that I would willingly die for it, but my church would never ask me to kill people or take over lands, etc. My church isn\'t led by greed, it is led by God.


Eric Jacob

[Titan]

Yeah, your religion is only a couple hundred years old and most are in America (correct me if i\'m wrong). Your religion won\'t start a holy war against the US. There are no and never will be a holy war in the US.
These are conflicts that I know of that are caused by religion
1) This "Holy war" with Bin Laden (he feels that we are threatening his religion). The only reason it\'s a "Holy War" is because Bin Laden knows that he will die (same with his followers) and according to his relgion, they will go to heaven.
2) Israel vs. Palestine- people are blowing themselves up to destroy one religion. Its a fight over holy land.
3) The crusades. An attempt to capture the holy land. This was lead by their Pope and the Catholic Church.
4) THis isn\'t a conflict. I saw on 20/20, 48 hours or 60 mins (i don\'t remember which o;ne) that there is this church that doesn\'t allow people in it\'s church to take medicines of any kind. No asperin, no cold medication and I believe that they also don\'t get vaccinated. Instead, they pray; for god to make them better. Never happens. There were people that could have been saved if they took pills or even a simple shot.
5) Science people get killed jsut for proving that religion can be wrong.
Note: I took Bossieman\'s naming of conflicts and explaining what is going on. Sorry man.

Originally posted by Titan
Yeah, your religion is only a couple hundred years old and most are in America (correct me if i\'m wrong).

It was brought back onto the earth almost 200 years ago in America, but now it has grown throughout the world.  I am pretty sure that there are more members out of America than in America.  We have missionaries in nearly every country, and even have missionaries in some of the more strict religious countries like China.