Something I pondered...

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
We aren\'t Holier-than-thou elitists, although you may feel that way talking to many sheltered Mormons. We have the truth of the gospel and would like to share that with everyone in the world. If we were Holier than thou, we wouldn\'t try to convert everyone or teach everyone in the world, which we try to do, we would just sit back and feel sorry and condemn everyone forever, which we don\'t.

Holier than thou? Gimme a Break, our churches entire missionary philosophy is based around teaching people what we know to be true.


Eric Jacob

I didn\'t really want to involve myself in why I disagree with so many of the major religeons, but here you have put in the crux of the issue.  You DON\'T KNOW it to be true, but you believe it with every possible fibre of your bieng.  Your faith is (hopefully), absolute, and you will stand by it, defending it.  My problem, however, with almost all the major religeons is that though they don\'t have indisputable facts or words (if they were indisputable, 100% of the world would follow one religeon), the people who strongly believe in them will say that they KNOW things that they really BELIEVE.  They want others to be a part of their religeon (there are exceptions, such as buddism).  

That is why I chose a path of faith, without any trappings of religeon.  No church, no praying, no fasting, etc.  When I was looking for my faith at 18, I was prepared to have any of the religeons stand out when I read about them, and attempted some of their practices.  None did so.  

You meet with an Orthodox Jew, and a devout Muslim, and all of you will believe in your religion 100%, and will believe that the others are following the wrong path.  My belief is that it won\'t matter.  You all have faith.  Good for you, just live life by the morals it teaches, and don\'t try and pressure others into your church\'s trappings.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
*laughs at ironfist*

You guys also believe that Jesus was a polygamist! Three wives? BWAHAHAHAHA!

This is too easy! You can\'t debate with me.

Have fun at your next End of Earth Day jamboree!

Um, do you mind clarifying a little bit?  It is not known by our or any other Christian church if Christ was married on this earth or not.  Why are you laughing at me?  Also, don\'t spread rumors about my church.

And what did you think of the link I gave you?

I can\'t believe this thread is still going, it\'s a monster I tell you, a damn monster.

Originally posted by theomen
I can\'t believe this thread is still going, it\'s a monster I tell you, a damn monster.

It wasn\'t supposed to be, but *SOME* ppl here have no sense of humor. Remember the topic post?

Originally posted by luckee


It wasn\'t supposed to be, but *SOME* ppl here have no sense of humor. Remember the topic post?

Yeah I remember the original topic, I like to refer to it as the "good old times", when the world was a fun and inocent place.

Originally posted by theomen


Yeah I remember the original topic, I like to refer to it as the "good old times", when the world was a fun and inocent place.

I honestly think we can be that way again. Somewhat carefree anyway.

Note the, , usually means I\'m joking.

And religous threads always get this long. Every forum I\'ve been to has its religion thread.

Originally posted by Vapor Snake


And religous threads always get this long. Every forum I\'ve been to has its religion thread.

heheh, i\'ve noticed that too, in EVERY other forum I visit that this subject has come up in.

GmanJoe:

And for the record, religious folks who adhere to their religion are less likely to commit suicides. Yet the states surrounding Utah also have a high rate (although Nevada I can understand with all those Casinos breaking people\'s bank accounts  ), if you noticed from your own source, ironfist. Quite possibly, many of them are Mormons. Though I do\'t have the time to look for the statistics right now.

Maybe it\'s something in the mountain water?

But if it truly was because of the Mormons that the mountain states have the highest suicide rate in the country, wouldn\'t it make sense for Utah to be in the number one spot instead of number 10?  (Pardon my ignorance, but I don\'t know what NIH is, so I don\'t know how credible your source is.  Also, your source isn\'t taking into account every age group.)  I couldn\'t say what the cause of the suicides are, but I don\'t think you can either with the limited info that you have.

Titan:

TO reply to Iron\'s reply, don\'t you believe Christ came a second time to the Aztechs? I remember you said so.

Yes.  Our church believes that after Christ was resurrected he went over to the Americas.  There, he set up his church.  Unfortunately, the people apostatized, the apostles died (many by murder), and Christ\'s true church was lost.  In the 1820s, Christ and God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith.  That is when what we believe to be Christ\'s church, the same church that was organized back when Christ visited the Americas, was brought back to this earth.  Our church, like most Christian churches, also believes that Christ will return to this world in what we call the second coming.

doesn\'t Oregon hvae the highest suicide rate in the US?  I know Seattle is the highest city, probably from that gloomy weather all the damn time.

Well i posted on this at the start and am surprised its still goin strong. This is easily the biggest thread i\'ve ever seen, i think i lost track back on page 2 or 3 :rolleyes:

GManJoe, good job doing exactly what I said you would do.

IronFist presented historical accuracy and reference from the Book of Mormon and what do you do??? Totally ignore it and make up some crap about our church.

What is your deal anyway? Where do you get this passion from?

But that was pretty swift, no really.


Eric Jacob

[GmanJoe]

tsk tsk.....Mormons..... http://www.dci.dk/engelsk/elefant/mormon.html

Each of these spirits requires a body in order to develop into a god. This problem was put before the gods\' assembly in which Elohim\'s two eldest sons were present also. It was suggested that the planet Earth should be created in order to provide a place where the many spirits were to be given a trial period to experience life on Earth in human bodies.
Lucifer, since he wanted to deprive man of his freedom of action, suggested himself as the saviour of this new planet and its inhabitants. Jesus, on the other hand, claimed that man should be given the right to choose between salvation and damnation. At the following voting, the gods acceded to Jesus\' suggestion.

Furiously, Lucifer instigated a riot and persuaded one third of the spirits to join him. In doing so, he became Satan and his followers became demons who were denied the possibility of acquiring physical bodies. During the ensuing riot, the less courageous spirits were cursed with black skin on Earth – and in this way the Negro race came about.


Here\'s the link to Mormon\'s claim that Jesus was a polygamist.
http://christiandefense.com/mor_jesus_poly.htm

And NIH = National Institute of Health.

Right now, I am very busy at work. I had only 15 minutes to find these links....but here there are.

This is all too easy.

Have fun, Alter-boy!....wait.....you can\'t be.

huh???

Those aren\'t LDS sites, and are instead horribly slanted and skewed LDS beliefs.

We do not believe that Jesus was a polygamist. If a site says that (especially one called ChristianBelief) than it is a site without any basis most likely.

point of fact: most sites with full range LDS information, as with most books available to the public, say at Barnes and Noble, will have an incredible amount of made up beliefs, and many times (sadly) a negative slant to them.

try again buddy. Still no acknowledgement to historical evidence found in the Book of Mormon? Just like every anti-mormon site out there, like I said on like page 5 or something. Everytime something is disproved, anti-mormons, instead of acknowleding they were wrong, merely move onto the next baseless bashing.



Eric Jacob

[GmanJoe]

Aknowledgement of what? None of you have provided anything except "Oh, how could Joe Smith know this and that?".

Puhleez.

Hell, even the Smithsonian Institute is irritated that you guys keep fabricating your own "historical facts" by using their good name.

Facts : Quetzelcuatl was an Aztec god that could turn into a serpent. Also known as "Morning Star". "Lucifer" is Greek for "Bringer of Light"....aka "Morning Star". Quetz. was not Jesus as some of you believe.

Oops. And there you have it.

Stop down playing the facts.