Enter The Matrix - What A Game!

i don\'t believe you\'ll watch then, don\'t bother trying to humor me.  If you don\'t like them, you don\'t recognize good cinema, it\'s as simple as that.  does that make me a better person?  never said it did, it just means your missing out.  NOONE dictates me me what is good, it\'s YOU guys that let it happen. you don\'t see me mentioning IMDB\'s ratings, do you?

does the ETM patch add any instance of fun gameplay that was missing?

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Originally posted by mm
i don\'t believe you\'ll watch then, don\'t bother trying to humor me.

I\'ll watch them, it may take me some time because i\'ve got other things to do besides watching TV all day.

If you don\'t like them, you don\'t recognize good cinema, it\'s as simple as that.

Again, posting your opinion as fact. Don\'t tell me what is good and bad cinema. I\'ll make that choice myself thanks.

does that make me a better person?  never said it did, it just means your missing out.  NOONE dictates me me what is good, it\'s YOU guys that let it happen. you don\'t see me mentioning IMDB\'s ratings, do you?

 Yea, if u did they\'d be pretty low eh.

does the ETM patch add any instance of fun gameplay that was missing?

no, but improves on whats already lacking in gameplay. I don\'t enjoy flickering textures in any game.. do you?  I finish everything i start. Seems only smart to patch bugs and improve the gameplay.
The patch wasn\'t just intended for you. it was for all the people that have the game.

Again, posting your opinion as fact. Don\'t tell me what is good and bad cinema. I\'ll make that choice myself thanks

ok, lemme ask you this
all else aside, how can you make that choice if you don\'t have a comparison?

ex.  if a person hasn\'t seen metropolis, blade runner, and tron, how can they say matrix 2 is such a great movie?  are they comparing it to the 1st one?  comparing it to xmen 2?

it\'s like walking into pizza hut, and claiming they have the best pizza.  when clearly, there are dozens of lesser known shops around for much longer that have much better pizza, but the person didn\'t know about them.

i\'m hesitant to use the term ignorant, but it\'s the beginning of it with most people (not necesarrily you).  it would be like me entering into a automotive discussion on what cars are better over the years.  i have little concern and knowledge of the subject, so i wouldn\'t even get involved

You suck dude, I just lost all respect I had for you, and although you probably couldn\'t care less, I advise you to read: \'two concepts of freedom, by sir Isaiah Berlin.

maybe than you\'ll understand your own ignorance!

cause no matter how hard you enlighten us with your \'almighty knowledge of movies\', it still remains just YOUR opinion......

please, I dare you to state, that your arguments aren\'t based on solely your opinion!

politepet.....nevermind, i lost all interest.  even soully is more interesting than anything you might have to say on this subject

umm, how come i havent seen anyone (politepet especially) listing any other movies to watch that could be examples of good cinema?  oh yeah......

Thats it - I\'m calling it - CRIPPPPPPPPPPPLE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in this corner, weighing in at a hefty 255 pounds (including the chair)
MM!!!!!

and in this corner, weighing in at just 75 pounds!
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ROUND 3, FIGHT!!!

nah, i like soully.  he has a certain way of "almost" frustrating me, in a humorous way


..and i don\'t mean to sound rude, but in your sig it should read precipitate, not parcipitate.  unless, of course, it was intentional

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Think of it this way, are people to eat 30 types of pizzas before they know they hate pizza. Don\'t think so.  I don\'t have to eat every mc donalds item on their menu to know it\'s all crap, but if the person next to me loves mc donalds. More power to them.

A person doesn\'t need to watch 30 movies of a certain type to know if they like 1 certain movie or not. You don\'t need to compare movies to know what you like. it\'s like eating something for the first time. You don\'t have to eat it 30 different ways to know it tastes like crap.

Like i said, i\'ll watch the movies. If i don\'t like certain ones. That doesn\'t make me wrong. It\'s my own preference.

Originally posted by mm
politepet.....nevermind, i lost all interest.  even soully is more interesting than anything you might have to say on this subject

umm, how come i havent seen anyone (politepet especially) listing any other movies to watch that could be examples of good cinema?  oh yeah......

because that would just be opinion! duh!
you\'re missing the point man!

I\'m not saying you\'re wrong, when you state (for instance) matrix 2 sucks, but it doesn\'t rule out the fact that it is your opinion.
I\'m okay with you disliking it, but you really shouldn\'t feel bigger than someone who does like it.

If people like a movie, it is a good movie ( to them)



oh, and another thing, in what way, does watching a certain movie, make another movie less good!
It might not be original, but it doesn\'t make it less enjoyable!

soully, what people like and what is good cinema ARE OFTEN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!

i\'ve been saying this, ad nauseam

and your macdonalds analogies make no sense.  now, if someone ate at many different fast food chains (burger king/wendy\'s/jack in the box), and then decided macdonalds was the best (or worst), then what do we have?  a frickin comparison! :eek:

sigh, i never said anyone is wrong for not liking certain movies
there is a problem, however, with not recognizing good cinema, and claiming a pop culture movie as such

as long as we can all agree that "glitter" isn\'t good cinema (or at best, is a piece of shit), then everything is right with the world (sorry #racer#)

oh, and another thing, in what way, does watching a certain movie, make another movie less good!
It might not be original, but it doesn\'t make it less enjoyable!

i meant no disrespect bro, but please, i beg you...watch a few of the films i listed, and perhaps you\'ll see what i\'m pleading.  you might realize that hollywood has been in a steady decline for the past 20 years.  you\'ll recognize these fast food movies that they puke on us.  you might be inclined to visit an independant theatre and watch a foreign film that doesnt include shooting people, or high speed car chases, or big explosions

agreed!

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lol. Dood, they don\'t need to eat at all these places to know what they like. Comparison is what makes a person know good cinema is for themselfs.. Not everyone else. You can\'t tell others what is good cinema from your comparsions and experience. They don\'t have the same "TASTES" as you.  It\'s like you telling me mc donalds is better then burger king, and if i like burger king over mc donalds. I don\'t know what a good burger is etc... it just doesn\'t work. Even if you\'ve had 100 different types of burgers then me. If i have 100 burgers too, my opinion will still be different.

Yes, glitter is a lame movie imo. But that\'s all it is, my opinion.

Originally posted by mm
i do know, however, more about culture cinema than both of you put together.

I said before I was going to stop, and I am, just a few last words:

You don\'t know us (well, at least you don\'t know me). I could just as well know 10 times more about culture cinema than you. But even if I did it wouldn\'t matter. You knowing more about films doesn\'t make you more capable of judging quality than anyone else.

i\'m not arguing that

i\'m saying for any person to decide what is and isn\'t good, must have a comparison

how can someone say if a movie is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?

how can someone say if a fast food joint is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?

so therefore, a person CANNOT say the matrix or macdonalds is good cinema or good fast food, if they don\'t have a valid comparisons.  how are these comparisons achieved? ahhhh yes......

actually echo, it does.  like i said, noone else is suggesting films, and still noone has.

i just feel the need to quote myself, because this statement sums up my whole argument, and fortunately, it cannot be refuted

i\'m saying for any person to decide what is and isn\'t good, must have a comparison

how can someone say if a movie is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?

how can someone say if a fast food joint is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?

so therefore, a person CANNOT say the matrix or macdonalds is good cinema or good fast food, if they don\'t have a valid comparisons. how are these comparisons achieved? ahhhh yes......