Matrix Revolutions

What I don\'t understand is why people say the first movie was awesome and the 2nd was trash or vice versa or some combo thereof.  All the movies were the same thing.  That\'s my only complaint from Revolutions is that I waited to see the end expecting some \'revelation\' of what Neo had to do.  But instead what does he do?  The same thing he did for the first 2 movies, fight Smith.  Then all of a sudden Smith starts exploding.  Why?  Magic?

The only other thing I don\'t understand is why you yankees pay $9.  It\'s like $6 and some change here.

The thing that strikes me is they could have easily compacted this trilogy into one good, and solid film. I can think of countless crap they could have thrown out to condense it accordingly. Maybe some of you will disagree and say that would be impossible, but in all actuality if you take out some of the +30 minute fighting sequences, pointless dialogue, Keanu Reeves disgusting naked butt, and moronic cave-disco-Blade-esque dancing sequences, they could have done it.

Point is it\'s about $, and they banked hardcore.

well, yer money has the queen\'s face on it, so its worth more

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you know who the queen is... right?  

The first was different, you are wrong there Rob.  It was more story and less riff raff action.

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Originally posted by EmperorRob
But instead what does he do?  The same thing he did for the first 2 movies, fight Smith.  Then all of a sudden Smith starts exploding.  Why?  Magic?
 

From my understanding. Smith was no longer part of the matrix system, That was based in part 2....
When neo was plugged into the matrix by the "source" atleast that\'s what i thought it was. Neo became part of their system.   When Smith took over neo, smith was then plugged back into the machines through neo. Thus, being deleted by them.  Only flaw i find to this, is smith takes over a agent in part 2, so why couldn\'t they delete / destroy him then?

well... that\'s my guessin.

Meh. I dont think they could have made the trilogy into one solid film. There were a lot of useless elements that could have easily been cut but one movie to explain everything would be difficult.

Im in awe to find that you thought the first matrix was actually decent flick. There is some light at the end of this tunnel. I wouldnt dissagree but from what seem to be your standards it didnt seem that you would be even fairly interested.

 

So long as you acknowledge the posts are both "profound" and "good," that\'s reason enough for me to go on posting in these threads.

Well im not actually saying that, but they arent bad by any means, just somewhat wasted.

So...

How about that Die Hard Trilogy, eh?

And why did the bondage loving french guy have power in the matrix?

Ryu:

Why is it when Neo turned into Agent Smith that every Agent was destroyed?  If that\'s all he had to do why didn\'t he sacrifice himself earlier?  Why is the Architect so against the Matrix?  What happens to Neo after that, is he dead? Or is he alive? You can\'t even tell.

Still quibbling over words? That\'s fine. I changed it. Let me know what you think. Sounds fair to me.

Seeing as how written(typed) words are the medium for communication here I\'d say they hold a lot of weight. What do you think?

BTW, thank you.

Hurricane...

Remember that Neo didn\'t know what he had to do, he just had the visions of going to the machine city but didn\'t know what happened after that.  He said he was scared and clearly uncertain.

The architect against the matrix???

Well, the end has been intrepreted a few ways...it looks to me as if he was returning to the source code.  Afterall he began to shine bright gold like everything else.

Originally posted by Ryu
You are making far too many assumptions.  It\'s true that Neo is becoming more machine like, which is what everyone seems to suggest while Smith himself is becoming more human -- which is the point you are referring to.  That\'s not the issue here because I\'m not targetting dead-pan Keanuu Reeves.  I\'m targetting every character, every person, every spec of the film.  I "get" it completely, but one does not have to "miss the point" to not appreciate it -- it\'s not a prerequisite.

Regardless, whether I "get" it or not is irrelevant.  To feel the characters are totaly hollow and to have no emotional ties to ANY of them and feel the spectacle was more important then the characters themselves is what made this movie terrible.  I\'m not attacking its deep philosophy or its deep spiritual meanings.  I happen to think discussing the films and the ideas of them are great, but that doesn\'t make the films great in themselves.  

I can discuss the structure and meaning of every scene in Glitter, but in the end, a pile of bile is a pile of bile no matter what\'s buried in it.



That much is certain and it\'s something I already know, but having the best personality and the best character doesn\'t excuse the fact that deep down, you didn\'t care if Neo died or not.  Take the classic example of the Joker and Batman, both are infinitely great characters, but each one has a past, each one has a deep emotional background that connects you with them, and each one would definitely be a whole lot of fun to tinker with what with Joker\'s insane amount of gags and his playful and sadistic nature while Batman has its exuberant amount of gadgets and is the perfect human specimen.  In the end, everyone wants Batman to win.  No matter what the Joker does.  In Matrix Revolutions, no one cared if Neo won or lost or if Smith won or lost, it was all about the spectacle, nothing more, nothing less.



That\'s like saying there is no bias in the world when, in fact, everything you say and every decision you make has a degree of bias whether you like it or not.  Biases can be affected by something as simple as the weather or what you had for breakfast in the morning right up to the more direct forms of influence based on prequels building to whether or not this movie is good or bad or whether or not the PS2 is greater then the Xbox based on what you played as a child.  

Everyone has a bias and an expectation.  No one can go into anything with a clear head.  In order to do that, you\'d have to approach it as if you were a newborn baby and this was the first thing you ever saw in your life.  Unfortunately, you wouldn\'t understand it and you wouldn\'t be able to remember watching it when you became old enough to articulate your feelings on it.  That\'s too bad for you though as it totaly destroys your argument.

Oh and one last thing, when Neo and Trinity embraced on the train platform, it sure as hell wouldn\'t have hurt the story to smile.  The humans ARE capable of expressing joy afterall.  Don\'t give me any crap that it\'s devoid of emotion for some huge monumental purpose.  Would you even know that Trinity and Neo were in love had they not kissed and had sex and people constantly said that love was "all over their face" when their face is always the same stern flatness that it has been for three movies?

 

And understanding, again, is not the point I\'m trying to make here.  I got it.  It\'s fine.  That doesn\'t make the movie better.  Lets see if you can get that.



That\'s a fair assessment to a degree, but I won\'t crap in the face of classical cinema because it has worked for so many years and created the best films of any time.

Its funny that although you stated the same thoughts earlier and already answered to them you repeated yourself again.

Reading your post I see that you ve only realised the surface of the movie not the core.Which is what makes it so great.

I wont try to explain the movie to you because you will misinterpret the meaning.There in no reason since even if you are wrong you ll still understand it based on what you believd before.Do you think I can proove someone wring even if he is?

Seen it once going to see it again today. I thought it was ok. I thought the ending could have much better.  I am still trying to figure out what the oracles entire purpose was in the movie.

the same as jaja banks in star wars

merely to make you wonder wtf are they doing there?

Originally posted by mm
the same as jaja banks in star wars

merely to make you wonder wtf are they doing there?

Rrrriiight.Take Jar Jar out of the Star Wars movie and he doesnt affect the plot at all.Take the Oracle out of the movie and the plot cant porgress.
:rolleyes:

Yeah right the oracle is a useless character in the movie

I sometimes wonder if you indeed watched any of the films