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« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2004, 08:55:58 PM »
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Do you mean the scene when Doc Ock is in the hospital, and the surgeons are preparing to remove the tentacles?  I think that\'s quite a stretch.  Spiderman 2 was not written by Raimi, only directed by him.  It\'s true that Raimi does occasionally bring his characteristic visual style to this film, but to say it\'s an exact copy is an extreme exaggeration.

BTW Raimi has developed a much more conservative and laid back style with these Spiderman movies and his other mass market films like "A Simple Plan."  No more crash zooms and hand held high speed cameras like in the Evil Dead movies and The Quick and the Dead.  I wish he would let his freak flag fly a little more.


Do you have a clue? The scene with Doc Oct waking up was directed with the same style and "Flair" as Evil Dead. The camera angles, the screaming and everything. It was an obvious throwback to Evil Dead.

He\'s a hack director who got lucky with this one in my opinion... Evil Dead sucked, Simple Plan was medicore and Spider-Man was a diaster. The sequel was good tho\'.

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« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2004, 10:48:32 PM »
I think I have a much better clue than you.

There\'s a difference between "same style and flair" and "exact copy."  That\'s what I was trying to point out.  Your whole point was apparently how much you hated the Evil Dead movies.  That surprises me coming from a professed movie freak like yourself.  You\'re entitled to your opinion of course, but I don\'t agree with it.

The Evil Dead series, (at least 1 & 2) were something genuinely novel and different from american horror cinema in the 80s.  To me they were a welcome relief from the endless assembly line "Friday the 13th" and "Nightmare on Elm Street" prefab horror films that were churned out during that empty decade.  They may not be great art, but I appreciate them at least for that reason alone.
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« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2004, 10:57:14 PM »
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I don\'t talk during the film, but if I clap and others join me, then so be it.  If that makes me stupid, then allow me to respond in kind to you stone faced people who are incapable of expressing joy when watching a film:

F*ck you.



Clapping during movies is pathetic, but you saying "F*ck you" is just funny.

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« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2004, 12:21:52 AM »
The Evil Dead films are not novel and never have been. They was low budget, cheesy, bad acting films that only got popular due to (1) tree rape , (2) gore and (3) camp. If you want low budget with actual style, then please, go watch Peter Jackson\'s earlier work, that was low budget horror with style.. Sam Rami\'s was low budget crap.

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« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2004, 07:45:36 AM »
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I don\'t talk during the film, but if I clap and others join me, then so be it.  If that makes me stupid, then allow me to respond in kind to you stone faced people who are incapable of expressing joy when watching a film:

F*ck you.  :)


Way to ignore the posts that didn\'t insult you (where is LIC\'s post anyways... an earlier page?  I couldn\'t find it).  

Either way, if you\'re ever in Ottawa.. and you start clapping DURING a movie, don\'t be surprised if you\'re one of a very few.  Also, don\'t take offence when a little bufferzone opens up in seats around you as people move to seats where they won\'t be bothered by you.  
 
I, like most people, am not stonefaced.  I just don\'t feel it necessary to make noise and disrupt the quiet \'spectator\' atmosphere of a movie theatre.  I guess we differ there.  Be mature about it, rather than combative (come on Ryu, that\'s what you\'re known for).

Crying, smiling, grinning, frowning, almost every emotion can be done without noise.  Laughter is an obvious exception, but comedies tend to leave room after jokes for the audience to laugh and then settle down before they move onto a line or important scene.
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« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2004, 08:22:37 AM »
LiC must die

oh, and evil dead + army of darkness > bad taste + dead alive

not even close
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« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2004, 08:34:13 AM »
Ok, there is just way to much to read so im just going to post what I have to say. The movie was great. I loved it, Doc Ock was a great villian and the action scenes were amazing and the story was great.

About Spider Man 3.

          Of coarse they will have the green goblin as Harry, what else would they do after than ending? It will make it more difficult though because Peter will probally find out it\'s Harry and not know what to do. The second villian is going to be the lizard.


Also, I read that Venom, takes control of peter. That may happen in the comic books but not in the cartoon. In the cartoon, venom takes of someone. I think that if they do include Venom they will take that road because they can have a good spider vs. bad spider fight.
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« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2004, 08:52:52 AM »
Is it possible for you guys to post your oppinions and have a civilized debate w/o flaming each other in the process?

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« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2004, 10:23:15 AM »
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Is it possible for you guys to post your oppinions and have a civilized debate w/o flaming each other in the process?
You\'re new here, aren\'t you?  :p
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« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2004, 10:43:08 AM »
Yes I was joking, I can tell I am going to be posting in a very lovely envrionment...

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« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2004, 11:14:18 AM »
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Yes I was joking, I can tell I am going to be posting in a very lovely envrionment...




I love you, You love me..... :D
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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2004, 12:29:48 PM »
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Way to ignore the posts that didn\'t insult you (where is LIC\'s post anyways... an earlier page? I couldn\'t find it).


I don\'t recall LiC posting in this thread about this particular topic.

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Either way, if you\'re ever in Ottawa.. and you start clapping DURING a movie, don\'t be surprised if you\'re one of a very few. Also, don\'t take offence when a little bufferzone opens up in seats around you as people move to seats where they won\'t be bothered by you.


Exactly ... In Ottawa... I\'ll make sure to keep that on a list of cities never to visit.  Lets get down to it though, I watch movies on the first day and if it\'s a big movie like this one with a huge following and lots of fans from the first, you\'re guaranteed to get fanboys and movie-goers in there who are VERY excited about what\'s going down.  Spider-Man 2 is but one example of this, but another is the Star Wars films where you get the same type of following at opening shows and it\'s GREAT fun to be there with them and enjoying the film with them here in the Bay Area.  

When I went to see Episode I for the first time, someone had brought a beach ball to keep the entire packed audience occupied before the film and people were hitting it high up into the air.  Afterwards, when the movie had started, people were cheering like crazy as soon as Darth Maul unsheethed his double light-sabre and the same people who enjoyed and loved that were there for Episode II and cheered when Yoda got down to it and kicked ass.  I find those crowds to be a whole lot of fun and very enjoyable to watch movies with as they can get into it and enjoy it just the same as you can.

Maybe that\'s just the Bay Area, but when we spend ten dollars per ticket and often take two or three of our friends, we are going to enjoy ourselves to the fullest extent and that\'s just how we react to moments on screen when great things happen.  Though, to step away from the whole nerd-lore for a second, would you have chastized the people who said "Oh God" fairly silently when they watched the D-Day scene in Saving Private Ryan?  That\'s probably one of the most jarring scenes in a war film and I for one can\'t blame them for their reaction to something so horrific and disturbing -- let alone the realization that it actually happened in real life.  I\'m sure when we were all sitting in the theatre, we all had a few "Oh my God"\'s we\'d like to express when watching that.

Whatever though.  Maybe the Bay Area, or California as a whole, is just that much more into its films.

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I, like most people, am not stonefaced. I just don\'t feel it necessary to make noise and disrupt the quiet \'spectator\' atmosphere of a movie theatre. I guess we differ there. Be mature about it, rather than combative (come on Ryu, that\'s what you\'re known for).


Heh.  I never realized it before, but swearing and insults illicites a far more enjoyable response then when I approach topics even handedly.  As a matter of fact, lots of my replies to topics that are even handed tend to get ignored for the most part no matter the length or the points.  From now on though, instead of wasting everyone\'s time by illustrating points and stating facts as literately as possible, I\'m just going to keep it simple and make my points in about as few words as possible.  If a simple "F*ck you" happens to be that response in retort to someone insulting me or the way I do things as it conflicts with the way they do it themselves, then that\'s the way it should be.

For the record though, I clapped during Episode I and II and cheered during the scenes mentioned and I was not alone and many other people joined in as well.  I thought Daredevil, Hellboy and Hulk were fine films though for totaly different reasons.  Micheal Moore\'s movie is a documentary no matter what anyone thinks about its one sided views.  Spider-Man 2 was an awesome flick and everyone in the audience clapped and cheered when Mary Jane said "Go get \'em, tiger." and then clapped again when the credits rolled no more then two minutes later.  I will see movies on the first day with people who, like me, enjoy the characters and the series of films if it\'s a sequal or a continuation -- like I did for Spider-Man 2 at the midnight showing on Tuesday.  Finally, don\'t go to a first day showing of a popular anticipated movie here in the Bay Area if you don\'t want clapping.  You\'re guaranteed to get it.

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Is it possible for you guys to post your oppinions and have a civilized debate w/o flaming each other in the process?


I\'ve tried that, it\'s not interesting and no one cares.
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« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2004, 02:06:03 PM »
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LiC must die

oh, and evil dead + army of darkness > bad taste + dead alive

not even close



I never want to see you lecture on good cinema and hack directors, if you honestly believe that.
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« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2004, 02:54:11 PM »
MM>mm
 end of story :D

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« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2004, 07:56:18 PM »
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The Evil Dead films are not novel and never have been. They was low budget, cheesy, bad acting films that only got popular due to (1) tree rape , (2) gore and (3) camp.


Actually, my friends and I liked them just because they were low budget, cheesy, bad acting films.

OK, and for the gore.

Which was also cheesy.

And gratuitous.

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