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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2000, 06:33:17 PM »
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ooooo, This Bill Gates kid looks really scary. Because he is smart and a good businessman is it impossible to think that he designed something? Although I have to admit he does look like the type to steal code and add his own spin to it. Just look at him, I\'m scared already.



But Seriously, Gates is a smart guy and a good ass businessman. Final.

BTW, This is not the same Nplayer that I remember. I am officially declaring a conspiracy. Something is not right. There is no way someone can go from an ardent Nintendo Fanboy to the heart of the Sony camp. Things like that just don\'t happen in real life. Something is up.


Amen to that. Gates may steal code. But he is a good buisness man. Otherwise MS would of never became the empire that it is. And he would of never became the worlds richest guy.

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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2000, 06:59:01 PM »
well its lookin more and more like PS2 is gonna come out ahead when its all said and done. X-box was the only close competitor but its looking as their losing ground as their specs are suddenly changing. Dreamcast hasnt even been close to PS2, their a nonfactor, gamecube just wont hang without that dvd capability, its looking like PS2 is gonna run away with it. i know this is gonna piss off a lot of losers, i mean people but if you want the best you must get PS2. FACT!
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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2000, 08:55:35 PM »
Big deal. So they dropped from 300million to 125million. Your all babbling already that Microsoft wasn\'t delievering what they promised( or were lying about it). NEWS FLASH, Sony did the same thing. Besides we haven\'t even seen the games running of the final hardware yet. You guys give sonyfanboys a bad name.

Oh I\'m still going to buy a PS2 but theards like this are really pathetic.

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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2000, 11:37:29 PM »
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Dwarrior.. You can crap on all u like.. Its the truth.. MS are USING HYPE.. Only a FANBOY would think otherwise.

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Microc***s, come on, lets be a little more mature.  I expect better from someone who is an Administrator of the BBS.

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Yes yes.. I was abit immature. I ment too say MicroHype hype the Hype Box like Sony did too ps2. Sorry my mistake. :D [/B]


  Show me some hype,  go ahead and show me something thats not true based on their new specs.  Like I said, they had to pull down the speed ala Mhz because of heat issues with higher micron processes.  Sony can\'t use this excuse to pull down their inflated specs because they have always been inflated.  You are just afraid that the PS2 is inferior and it is to almost every platform of the next generation, it can\'t even kill the simple Dreamcast.  

  Want to see hype... PS2 with 66 Million or 75 million (depends on who you talk to) and Sony said its going to change the world in the same way the printing press changed the world.  Now thats hype...  Most of everything that was said about the PS2 is untrue.... :)

  Its funny, when people talk against Sony, you ban them, no problem, then you can bash the xbox or anything else at your disgression, what a hypocrite you are!

  I think its time to talk to Bjorn to get your power taken away.  You use your power for the wrong reasons and continue to abuse it almost daily.




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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2000, 11:45:31 PM »
XBox, *sigh*  It just doesn\'t.... **do it** for me.
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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2000, 12:02:23 AM »
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You let your half decent post go right down the drain by making this stupid comment. Let me think, what can Playstation 2 (apparently) do with one light source and textured polygons...that\'s right 33 Million PPS and what\'s the harsh reality in an actual game...about a tenth of that at 3 Million. Microsoft is no different, they give off Numbers like 125 Million PPS with a light source and textured polygons and guess what a tenth of that is...about 12 and a half Million PPS. It is also no coincidence those figures are right around what Michael Abrash gave in his article a couple of months ago.

Microsoft ballooned numbers are just ****ed up as Sony\'s and the poly drop from theorectical to practical will be very similar, only a raving Microsoft supporting madman could even suggest otherwise.


   Microsoft did not make up the numbers, Nvidia is working on the chip and thus could not risk overheating at a higher Micron level.  Nvidia has a lot more experience in 3D than Sony and Toshiba.  Come on lets not kid ourselves here.  Nvidia could not meet that high of a standard because the micron process that they need complete the chip at 300 Mhz is not there.  Its not about masking false numbers its about overheating and the chance it can happen if not underclocked.  100 Million can be made possible but it requires static lighting and it requires optimisation of the software.  We are talking about sustained performance, not the silly little 66 million that can\'t even be drawn on the screen for the PS2.

Sony PS2 = 66 Million polygons with nothing on them, no texture, no lighting, no shading, no nothing.  All processors working at the same time with no physics, no AI no nothing.... Not sustained

Xbox = 250 million with the same as sony\'s PS2.  Not sustained.

Xbox = 100 Million polygons per second at 640x480x32 bit using static lighting, no curved surfaces, sustained with two textures, anti-aliasing, static shading full Physics and AI.  This is possible, now of course its going to be harder and you can go higher but you are going to have to drop features like go to single texture and no anti-aliasing but yes it can be done and Abrash says so and his article was asuming 250 Mhz.

I said its possible but I didn\'t say it would be pretty, because things like lighting and shading is static, but still it can be done.  Please go ahead and try this on a PS2.

Now, even Epic Games admited the xbox can do super high geometry of 90 million non static.  Of course even Inhabitants said that they can do much higher geometry than the PS2.  

Y\'all just don\'t know very much or don\'t want to know, now its really about the games and thats where xbox will have a choice to either do or die.

Nvidia has more experience in 3D than most of the companies out there and they have SGI patents and technologies and now of course 3DFX and S3 patents.

Sony should have chose either ArtX or Nvidia to do the 3D technology because they are the real 3D leaders.

I mean Nvidia has to make the XGPU use 125 million polygons instead of 150 Million (or to use the PS2 terms, they now have to use 250 million polygons instead of 300 million).

Microsoft didn\'t lie, they just had a change of plans because Nvidia\'s chip manufacture could not make the change to a lower Micron process.  In Sony\'s case they just outright lied and there was no change of plans...  

Why is it that most Sony PS2 fans arn\'t very bright when it comes to technology?  These are simple concepts but yet no sony fanboy can understand this.

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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2000, 12:09:51 AM »
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XBox, *sigh*  It just doesn\'t.... **do it** for me.


  I guess someone is supposed to care about what Huddy thinks.  We could go out and get tons of games that are average right now, assuming you can find a PS2.

  Now the PS2 is all hype, even the games, don\'t get me wrong, I think the launch was okay, but come on lets not kid ourselves here.  The PS2 isn\'t terrible at all, its just that its no where near what Sony anounced.

  Come on even the fanboys have to agree inside that the PS2 wasn\'t even near what was promised.  MGS2 sure, thats nice and everything but still the other platforms will have better.  Go to daily radar, even those sony biased guys admit the PS2 isn\'t all its been cracked up to be and the games arnt even coming out yet.   Have you looked at the PS2 games selling in Japan?  They arnt selling and go try the USA they arnt selling there either, lets not kid ourselves boys.  I mean so what the PS2 isn\'t the end all of consoles, big deal, just deal with it like a man and move on with your lives.  I know I have.... Life goes on kids... :)


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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2000, 12:19:15 AM »
Oh jesus,

you\'re kidding me right??

I wasn\'t expecting the PS2 to be the 2nd coming if thats what you\'re thinking.  Anyone who did is a fanboy.  PS2 has strong games.  Stronger than anything else out on the market.  I think that next year the console will surely show up all the other ones.  Nintendo doesn\'t stand a chance, Sega will die off, Microsoft will get some of the older crowd and maybe some younger players, but I doubt they\'ll ever really threaten Sony.


I think its hysterical that some people think that XBox is the 3rd coming and that it will smack the console industry and make other consoles its "*****es".  It\'s not going to happen.

In fact, the console wars won\'t last into 2008 I think.  By then we\'ll be playing on our PS3\'s and having download-able FF18 characters or something...

That a better answer Warrior??

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2000, 01:24:33 AM »
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Show me some hype,  go ahead and show me something thats not true based on their new specs.  Like I said, they had to pull down the speed ala Mhz because of heat issues with higher micron processes.  Sony can\'t use this excuse to pull down their inflated specs because they have always been inflated.  You are just afraid that the PS2 is inferior and it is to almost every platform of the next generation, it can\'t even kill the simple Dreamcast.  
haha whatever man.. Fact is.. Ps2 is the MOST likely too lead this console war. LIKE IT OR NOT.. All NON bias websites beleave this. Most NON bias gamers believe this. I have a DC man. I\'ll get a ps2.. Maybe a xbox in a few year. I know ps2 isn\'t as powerful as NGC and Xbox. I don\'t really care. It sounds too me you care more about it. I DON\'T GIVE A S@#T man. I\'m a gamer. I will enjoy my ps2 games as much as i do with DC.
Xbox WORLDWIDE LAUNCH.. That is CALLED hype man. Xbox didn\'t come through with it. They HYPED developers in telling them they would release there SYSTEM WORLD wide on the same day.. Guess what. Europe ONE of the BIGGEST markets in the world. Have too wait 18 months. They sold MORE psx systems then USA.

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  Want to see hype... PS2 with 66 Million or 75 million (depends on who you talk to)
It CAN do 66 or 77 million polys a sec... Sony didn\'t hype that man. Its FACT.. It can render them in FLAT shadded polygons.
They HYPED the TOY STORY graphics part.
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and Sony said its going to change the world in the same way the printing press changed the world.  Now thats hype...
I haven\'t heard this. I\'ve heard alot of things sony promised. But nothing like that.

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Most of everything that was said about the PS2 is untrue.... :)
Name some for me man.

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  Its funny, when people talk against Sony, you ban them, no problem, then you can bash the xbox or anything else at your disgression, what a hypocrite you are!
What.. I don\'t BAN people for going agaisnt sony. Otherwise YOU WOULDN\'T BE HERE. I ban morons who just BASH the Ps2,Xbox,DC or NGC systems too create trouble.
Just because i\'m a admin that means i can\'t have my own OPINION.. Get lost man. I\'m not a F\'N zombie. I\'m allowed too have my OWN opinions. I don\'t care for XBOX like mm doesn\'t care for NGC.. I don\'t have too kiss arse of every console developer because i\'m a admin. This is a PS2 site if u haven\'t NOTICED. I BEARLY bash a system. I just find it funny how PEOPLE like u. Bash everything they can on ps2. But when the same thing happens too Xbox they can\'t HACK it. if you don\'t like it just LEAVE man. No one is making you stay.
 
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  I think its time to talk to Bjorn to get your power taken away.  You use your power for the wrong reasons and continue to abuse it almost daily.
Almost daily. LOL keep on crapping man.. PLEASE if i HAVE bashed the XBOX daily.. Show me ALL my posts of me bashing it.. hell show me any of the OTHER systems you may think i\'ve bashed. Bjorn, MM and me have a Understanding man. We have our OWN opinions. Bjorn won\'t care if 1 person doesn\'t like me. Off course some people won\'t like me. It happens too all Mods and admins. The people i ban are normaly people that are ASKING for it. People that MEMBERS agree should be BANNED. Bjorn knows what i post. he DOES read the forums everyday. I\'m not a bias gamer. Like i said. I will probley end up getting a Xbox some years down the track. But right now all i want is a ps2 and dc.
MS hyped the XBOX.. Sony Hyped the PS2.. How THE HELL am i a bias or Fanboy person when i EVEN say Sony hyped the ps2.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :rolleyes:


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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2000, 01:32:59 AM »
Just so everyone knows. Dwarrior IS docwiz. Thank you. :D
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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2000, 01:39:18 AM »
Dwarrior is a mud slider!!!

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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2000, 01:41:31 AM »
Hey.. No FLAMING man. Don\'t do it agian.
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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2000, 01:53:10 AM »
WTF? I\'m just telling the facts!

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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2000, 01:55:43 AM »
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WTF? I\'m just telling the facts!


And u know this how? personal knowledge maybe?
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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2000, 02:23:18 AM »
Ok Docwiz, reality check.

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Show me some hype, go ahead and show me something thats not true based on their new specs.
[/b]Some people really have a hard time understanding reality huh? I\'ll show you some MS HYPE - in fact I already have, so I\'ll just copy it from before:

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"This machine will deliver 300 million polygons per second!" - when it will not.

"This machine will have DVD playback right out of the box!" - when it will not.

"This machine will be released worldwide simultaneously!" - when it will not.

"This machine will have a 300 MHz GPU!" - when it will not.

But every company hypes. Microsoft included. A lot of people figured that PS2 would be able to render 66 million polygons in a real game - just like a lot of people were pissing their pants about the Xbox\' 300 million polygons per second. Well, at some point you become immune.
[/b]And please DOCWIZ, don\'t give me any "but you\'re just a mean fanboy" crap. Notice how I also talked about Sony and their hype? Just like SoulGrind did. But you just have to  point out what you don\'t like and scream \'Sony fanboy! You\'re just against Xbox! You\'re abusing your powers! (insert more crap here)\'. Get real Doc. :rolleyes:

Don\'t give me any "But nVidea couldn\'t make it small enough to run at 300 MHz". It\'s still hype. I could also release a product - and write in the official specs \'50000 GHz GPU\'. Then later change it to 20 Mhz because it couldn\'t be done. HYPE.

I still think Xbox will be a great machine but I\'m not a blind fanboy like some people *cough*. You don\'t mind trashing PS2, but when it comes to Xbox you\'re overly sensitive. Grow up Doc. Let me quote you with slight alterations:

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I mean so what the Xbox isn\'t the end all of consoles, big deal, just deal with it like a man and move on with your lives. I know I have.... Life goes on kids...
[/b]Follow your own advice and stop being a friggin\' hypocrite Docwiz.

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Big deal. So they dropped from 300million to 125million. Your all babbling already that Microsoft wasn\'t delievering what they promised( or were lying about it). NEWS FLASH, Sony did the same thing. Besides we haven\'t even seen the games running of the final hardware yet. You guys give sonyfanboys a bad name.
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Big deal? From 300 million to 125 million... That\'s not a big deal, eh? It\'s called HYPE my friend. But when MS does it you don\'t have a problem with it - you just hurry up and says "Well, boohoo, Sony did the same! (But MS didn\'t really do anything)". Please man, you\'re sounding like Docwiz now. You both give Xbox fanboys a bad name.
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