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They won\'t get it man.. If they STILL don\'t. I guess that shows how bright they are.

Originally posted by Dwarrior
Nvidia has a lot more experience in 3D than Sony and Toshiba.  Come on lets not kid ourselves here

Toshiba? Are you talking about the Gamecube? The GCN\'s GPU is developed by NEC and they are far from beginners when it comes to computers and graphics.

uhhh, If you are not talking about GCN then disregard this post.

[Edited by IcebergSlim on 12-28-2000 at 09:02 AM]

Originally posted by Samwise
Big deal? From 300 million to 125 million... That\'s not a big deal, eh? It\'s called HYPE my friend.

Actually, it\'s a drop from 300 million to 250 million (300Mhz down to 250Mhz)! The result is, 150 million down to 125 million with textures. That\'s not a big deal.[/B][/QUOTE]

BTW, hope you all had a Merry Christmas.

Ok I was sleeping a bit there.

So no, it\'s not a BIG deal. But it\'s still hype. Just as much as all the other things were (i.e. 300 million polygons per second). Admit it, MS hypes as much as any other company does.

[Edited by Samwise on 12-28-2000 at 03:03 PM]

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Here is what I don\'t get.

How can you be a fanboy for a system you\'ve never even see a REAL picture of?

I am one of the most un-biased people around here. But come on. Whats the point in being a fanboy for a system no one has seen? I can see being interested in it, but your taking it a bit to far man.

Which brings me to another point. Your giving Xbox fans a bad reputation. You come to a PS2 forum (lord knows why) and trash the PS2, touting that the Xbox is better, yet the Xbox isn\'t out even.

And Nathan abuses his powers? This is news to me. Maybe your only saying that because he banned you for coming here and causing problems. And yes, that is what you do. You never come here just to debate. You come here with full intention of causing problems.

As for him abusing his powers daily. Uh. Sure..Whatever you say man.

MS uses hype like every other company. What is so hard to accept about that? But of course, once you found out they lowered them, you had to come here and try and defend the Xbox. Didn\'t ya?

And before you call me a Sega/Sony fan. I also update news for a.....XBOX site. Geeze..

Let\'s face some facts guys.. whether you like MS and the Xbox or not, you will NEVER see a game displaying anything like 100 Mpolys/sec. You will NEVER see a PS2 game utilizing 66 or 75 Mpps (depending on if your talking about the EE or GS). Both sets of figures were pulled from some dark smelly region of the body, usually utilizied for the evacuation of bodily wastes.

I don\'t care how \'powerful\' the GPU or CPU of the XBox is. 100 Mpps is totally unrealistic. I know hardware restrictions and some software, and that figure is TOTALLY bogus. Think about it, if you had 10 figures, each utilizing 100,000 polygon models, at 60 frames per a second, thats only 60 Million polys/sec! The game hasn\'t been invented yet (on the PC or console) that includes a SINGLE 100,000 polygon model, much less utilising 10 of them on the same screen at the same time. Do you realize how many clock cycles it would take to render just ONE 100,000 polygon figure? To calculate all the curves, lighting, opacity or translucency values, and shadows? Nvidia\'s T&L may be able to do some wonderful things, but I doubt it can completely BYPASS the laws of computer programming.

Plus, this doesn\'t even touch on the need to perform AI and Physics EACH TIME before those models can be rendered. Things like how fast various parts of the model are moving, how they are moving (direction, orientation, rotation,etc.), environmental effects (wind, water, field of vision, etc.). And what about reading and interpreting the controller(s)? All of these \'steal\' clock cycles and resources from graphics rendering. Ever wondered why GT3 \'only\' uses 10 Mpps and 5,000 Poly car models? Because they needed the \'headroom\' to do the detailed physics necessary to the game.

Anyway, thats just my take on it..

Have you looked at the PS2 games selling in Japan? They arnt selling and go try the USA they arnt selling there either

DC games aren\'t selling well either. The typical consensus is that the games SEGA are pumping out are phenomenal (and I agree) .. yet they sell like **** in Japan. Doesn\'t prove a thing.

Nvidia/3dfx, the leaders in 3D technology? More like extra hype and hoopla. I\'ve had a Voodoo card since the early days when you had to order one. And I\'ve been keeping up (mostly) since then. I remember 3dfx and their saying that the Voodoo 2 would be able to crank out ~3 million polygons @ 60fps. LOL! Nvidia is the same way. The GeForce 2 is capable of ~15mpps, yet there\'s not one game on the PC that does even a third of that. While the GeForce *may* be able to do it, the CPUs cannot keep up.

Q3A usually used as the benchmark pushes no more than 600k pps. (10,000polygons/scene x 60fps) ... Everything is hype, do you think the companies are going to tell you the honest truth? Hell no. PS2 was overhyped, and X-Box is as well. For those of you expecting Toy Story esque graphics on your X-Box (in real-time) you will be in for a hell of a disappointment. I won\'t deny Sony\'s BS either, they sure as hell hyped the PS2. You gotta take the machine for what it is, and not what they say it can do. There will always be ups and downs.

On another note, people are quick to jump and say that Sony failed on their promise. Who\'s to say what the PS2 will be capable of in 2 years? Remember folks, everything is but mere speculation. Both positive and negative.

- dm

oh no,

The big M is going to kill the hardware enthusists that wanted the fastest thing on the market that could push specs well beyond anything else.  Oh well.  I\'m not really biased I\'d say, but I understand Sony\'s selling points more so than Sega\'s, Nintendo\'s and Microsofts.  

I think its interesting that people will buy new things, just to buy new things.  That\'s kinda what I think about the Xbox, people will buy it, just cuz its new.

Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Just so everyone knows. Dwarrior IS docwiz. Thank you.

   Just so everyone knows, you are offically confused.  I don\'t know who docwhiz is.  Look at my IP address. I would hope it would be someone who would agree with me who has some brains to understand simple concepts.

y\'all are just stupid...  sheeesh.... I mean give you simple concepts and you can\'t handle it...

I didn\'t say about the xbox being any good.  I said the specs were not ment to be exaggerated.

The PS2 can\'t do flat shaded polygons at 66 million, it can\'t even do any shading at all.  Flat shading is like Virtual fighter if you want to know what its like, but the PS2 can\'t do 66 million with any kind of shading at all, it can only put them via the framebuffer, thats why its so bogus.

The polygon levels is an outright lie....  The Xbox can do 100 million realistically.  Now saying that you might have to have static shading (not flat shading), but I mean like per pixel shading you would have to give up and dynamic per pixel lighting you would have to give up and curved surfaces you would have to give up, but still you could do it and it is realistic, even Abrash says that.  Now if you use pixel shading and per pixel lighting this figure goes down around 60 million polygons.  Its not a lie though and can be done realistically, just depends on what you want.

 Nvidia thought they could produce the chip at 300 Mhz but had to go down to 250 Mhz because of the high chip thickness level, but its not hype.  This means that at a raw polygon rate the xbox can\'t do 300 million but only 250 million raw polygons, just like the PS2 can do 66 million raw polygons but realistically its more like 25 million and of course more effects you use the lower all chips go.

  What you all consider hype, I consider a lie and thats just not true.  Microsoft could have used hype and said the xbox could render 300 million polygons like the PS2\'s 66 million figure but they didn\'t, they were very conservative, not like Nintendo\'s conservative numbers but still.

  As to games we will have to see, but certainly not exaggerated like this thread seems to think, not at all.  They tried to hit 150 million but they can only do 125 million, thats no big deal.

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Originally posted by Dwarrior

Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Just so everyone knows. Dwarrior IS docwiz. Thank you.

   Just so everyone knows, you are offically confused.  I don\'t know who docwhiz is.  Look at my IP address. I would hope it would be someone who would agree with me who has some brains to understand simple concepts. [/B]

I did check your ip. Do u want mm and Bjorn too back me up on this.. You see. With VBB we can check a persons ip. then get the forum too search for OTHER people with the SAME ip.. Guess what.. DOCWIZ came up with your ip. Same ip, Same isp, Same person.

Whatever u think is a LIE is hype DW. Otherwise u MUST say PS2 Hype was also a LIE.. If not you are just another FANBOY.

to settle this, i copied this DIRECTLY out of control panel, i merely edited the IP for his protection.

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mm

y\'all are just stupid...

You are stupid..... you might not have been calling me stupid there but im still calling you stupid here.

Hey Docwiz
what\'s up?

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Let me get this straight.

When Sony hypes its lies.
When MS hypes its them just having problems, but being honest.

Uhm..Yeah
:rolleyes: